1' drive speed of travel?

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Can someone do the math for me to ball park the linear speed of translation of primary chain or belt say from 1000 rpm to 8000? Its the next hang up in Peel plan.

Will help me determine drive ratio for main helical stabilizer pulse ring and materials to endure its anti-gyroscopic gravity nullification while charging battery.

1' drive speed of travel?
 
If you set the linear oscillator to max, and the anti-gravity warp drive to factor 7, it'll beam you up Scotty, no worries at all.

P.S. Don't try this at home, Steve, you may not like where it sends you... !
 
I left graduate school in 1983, but ... If we can assume you will retain the alternator and it's attendant electric/magnetic fields, then I think the following equation will help in your calculations

v*v/r = (q*v*B*sin(a))/(g*m*c)

where v is the velocity vector of the chain/belt (with charge q from the van de Graf generator), the magnetic and electric vectors from the alternator are B and E, m is the mass of the chain/belt, c is the speed of light, and g is the usual Lorentz factor. If you are only interested in an approximation, you can probably safely ignore the sin(a) term - it's there to consider effects as the chain/belt moves in helical fashion away from the teeth as the RPM increases.

I think you should consider running a closed primary...I'm not sure of my calculations as I broke my pencil and ran out of paper, but at 8K RPM you might be in the X-ray energy release area, essentially replicating the power spectrum from the supernova remnants popularly known as the Crab Nebula.
 
duh of course Rohan, but you've confused the plasma pressure pump device ratio with the plasma generation functions.

hm 36 teeth times about a third of a mud pie times revolutions divided by rim length of a 85 mm skate wheel may tell me.

1' drive speed of travel?
 
Yep Sir i lucked out today prepping for crash cage weld up.

1' drive speed of travel?



Maney 36T front sprocket 3.9" OD x pie 3.14159 = ~ 12.25220" rim
So 1000 rpm gives 12252.201"/minute or 1021.01675'/minute or 11.6024630 mph
8000 rpm gives linear 98017.608"/min or 8168.134 ft/min or 92.81970 mph.

So to get Peel's battery charger turning under its 10K red line with crank @ 8 grand means I can get away with 85 mm-3.34646" OD skate wheel for 1.16541061301 over drive ratio for 9323 max alternator rpm and 1165 rpm at high idle. Thing puts out full 600 watts about 600 rpm d/t 3rd voltage sensing wire for coils, so won't stall out on low battery no matter how long I idle with hi beam on at stops. Perfect luck out as direct drive no jack shaft needed. Accidentally discovered this option today with some modification to the Lake filter cover, which means a forced cool air scoop configuration to JBW together.
 
You don't need any calculator or fancy formulas, the answer is 42!

Jean

I thought everyone knew that :roll:
 
42, the total of number dots on a pair of cubic dies?
Hobot, watch out for "PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT"type adverse reactions, & check if N.Tesla`s related [suppressed] patents are still classified..
Oh, & if you glimpse Elvis or Adolf out in the dimension stream of the synchronastic infundibulum, lend them your sonic- transducer or spare flux-capacitor.. go for it.... man, full kudos...
 
Life and existence is pure magic at base so love taking others with me on my Peel fantasy life and times. The Higg's field and its boson "particle" 'proof' have completed and verified everything about the Standard Theory of Cosmos, which supports the partial answer of 42 but still leaves ~74% of the known universe unaccounted for as well as gravity, which is where Peel's new physics come in to prove to world its really 43! I'm Nobel laureate trained in quantum and solid state physics as well Dr's Leary and Alpert follower and I swear Ms Peel has revealed the unifying principles behind superficial fractal quantum digital illusions to back up the yogi's > its all analog smoothness once energy enough to break through the particle field fog of dots on dice thrown. THE Gravel is my harshest guru on this subject exploration. I like analog music though analog tube amps best too. The largest features of the cosmos known are the 100 million light years of sound waves resonance, which backs up some scriptures claim in the beginning was Logos = Word = Sound vibration.

Truly Ms Peel is a one in a row wonder that makes all other cycles buzz bomb corner cripples confusing conflicts of combined force vectors that has completely fooled and mis-led the rest of the world. While rest of the world is floating around on balloon tires and over rigid or too flexy chassis stuck on fixed tracks of counter steering like a locomotive inertia, Ms Peel is having to deal with gas slosh that can't change directions as fast as she can and ground effects of Far Over leans, so studying saucer compensations of gyroscopic procession when she is air borne out of turns. All Drouin owners have reported annoying to scary effects on handling resistance. I have noticed Commandos tend to fall over to LH slightly easier than RH. I can detect this on plain Jane Trixie too. But its very subtle effect that is undetectable till going over board in turn energy. Blower and 40 mm belt drive nixed charger on end of crank so putting 8 lb unit behind barrels which centers mass more. Issue is how to turn it by tapping the belt running by under its nose. Torque loads will reach max of ~1 hp, 600 watts plus friction/resistance.

Plan A was under top belt run cog wheel with jack shaft through case to cradle and pulley on it to turn alternator ~3.5 lb rotor same direction as crank and wheels. Plan B was friction wheel on exposed front of clutch basket to turn jack shaft opposite. But found no off the shelf friction wheels could take the rpms with the heat developed. Plan C is just extend alternator nose so friction wheel rest directly on top of belt run and turn opposite to crank and impeller and tires. I had to keep in mind bearing shaft-size and ability to tolerate the rpm/heat of surface translation and lube exploding too. Plan C eliminates bearings and mounts and jack shaft and belt with tensioner provision in its relation to 1' belt and final chain drive tension positions. Of course still might not work as planned and even if does it means re-think of fueling devices as the alternator takes up the easy way out, via long manifold across engine to stick out like a Harley on RH side, cute as that is and out of the hot air blast off engine fins. Lade Injector is ready made space solution but No one but the small aircraft guys have solved the Lake Injector needle tuning issues from idle to combat power. I must too or Peel's a bust.

i've searched for data on multiple sized and positioned gyroscopes compensating or interfering with each other to find its beyond ability or desires of any one else to work out. Oh sure I can calculate the moment of inertia of a paint particle spinning as it orbits a satellite around the moon in relation to its launch point in regards the CoG of the Earth, but they are only gravitational coupled not mechanically so easy as pie and don't apply to Peel's problem. Yep even rocket science ain't up to Peel's prowess! Am I crazy stupid brain injured enough to make such claims up? Maybe ya'll don't know what's ya missing.

So now must figure out how much top run belt deflection to apply by the friction wheel as 100+ lb ft applied by engine torque to draw belt into steel bar like stiffness and not pry the alternator right off its mounts : (

Btw Peel's cutie pie is a DENSO like this
1' drive speed of travel?


not like this
1' drive speed of travel?
 
A Quantum of Wampum?
I suggest, referring to The Stranglers, "The Gospel according to the Men in Black"...
 
Naw JAW, more attracted to church of the sub-genius as always like watching Bob Cummings and smoke a tobacco pipe, which takes some finesse to get mixture right.
1' drive speed of travel?

1' drive speed of travel?
 
Another simple physics issue occurred to me putting myself in place of the friction wheel, people can do that ya know - how top run belt slack at idle in N might not bare on the drive wheel enough, if lights bright and battery low. This is a lever arm or compound pulley hoist ratio problem though, not the pulley size matter above. Simplest solution would be to have drive wheel deflect belt just a bit downward so very little leverage back on the alternator shaft supports. If that don't work [i've a pair of same alternator] Then will have to spring load mount the altnernator so it can only experience a set level of pressure and rise and fall with belt tension. For sense of the leverage action put a belt around a chair legs then squease the middle of belt together. Don't know the terminology for that type lever mechanism.
 
That was a strange song alright and can only relate to parts of its annoying lyics and notes.

Well I've nixed the spring loaded Plan D as can't fit slotted supports in the tight spaces of cradle with other do-dads in the way, so Plan F, pivot on one side and let gravity &or spring act like belt tensioner. Simplifies further as only need one support off cradle in easiest area, instead of two.

Funny thing is I'm actually working on crash cage not alternator drive yet, [must wait for the actual special primary case Steve Maney made up to mount Drouin on] so saving time while Peel still mocked up assembled. Also a new filter front for the Lake injector that may not work out either. If no screw ups on my measures might have enough thick wall Al tube on hand. Fun scope Ms Peel takes me every step, except also having to account for big gas tank, full fairing with lowers, shift and brake rear set fab up and of course the weapon mounts for the dam deer the cage is needed for in first place. I'm guessing cage might weigh in under 15 lb including the steel tabs and braces on frame plus rarely used rear lower side car hard points that can double as trailer hook up with and w/o the hack on.
 
Have you done a weight check Hobot? Fore/aft, side-to-side? Does the primary drive system , either dead weight or dynamic, gyro-wise - affect turning moments?
I think the Stranglers were suggesting Mitsubishi rather than Denso as a electrickery source, perhaps?
 
I have only weighed separate items so far but need a new subject post on how to measure vertical and horizontal CoG's but the real measure is what it does to handling extremes Peel must do better than anything else or fail in her primary purpose. Peel has removed some stuff off LH to show up on RH to about make up for LH 15 lb blower so may be better than before that way. Peel gets rather looser on tires in many conditions on purpose and in different postures than others w/o crashing and i use power to trip out to lean fast enough as well as power hi side back up in time and spin bike on front patch pivot or mid bike COG pivot, that straight steering at hi speed allows. I have built in calculator of G pull+time sense so use it to tell which way around particular turns give lowest and least hesitation off drag race pulling maximums. I have high tolerance for G force back outs but Peel can give tunnel vision and dimming states i have to force lungs hard as stunt or soar plane to keep next aim point in focus. Lucky UFO pilots mass is coupled to the drive fields so they don't experience acceleration. This coupling also allows them to just image-in where they want to go too yet is also coupled to the surrounding energy fields so can see where they are going w/o optics involved. Tetra waves for instance. At least that's what they told me but I know a lot of them are stinkers or plain pirates so don't really believe everything. Some one might be missing out on something special lurking in isolastic Commandos with Roadholders, still think its just me? There must be some limit to how harsh I can turn Peel sharper-faster but ain't found out yet.
 
NOT just you Hobot. An Atlas wont do, those isos def` have some ultra-dimensional inputs/synergistic outputs...
 
An Atlas wont do, those isos def` have some ultra-dimensional inputs/synergistic outputs...

It they didn't in Peels case there'd be no reason for all the rest of Peel project just to support and take more advantage of her isolastic magic with two wheel wonders. I loved my P!! bee line whiplashing blood draining G's but I got even more on past Peel with significant less power because she could add on the sideways G's on top of the rearward G's. I have a regular Combat and just today wondering if anyone ever video'd the hinging action so will have Wes or a stranger follow me through a few easy sweepers its sane to stay just short of the sudden magnification phase. May have to also follow Wes who can ride like the wind through the twist and see if his hinges at similar loads.

A bit short on Al crash tubes so the verticals will just have to be welded from the cut offs. I carried the whole metal load 100 yd after dark to realize I could fling the long tubes around a bit like a baton so its mass won't be much a factor.
 
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