The real cost of lockdowns….

acotrel said:
if you watch this video, you will see kids being interviewed about what they want. Mostly, they all want to be wealthy because they believe that would make them happy. I suggest they have got their priorities wrong. If you do things which make you happy, other people will pay you to do them, because you will always be very good at doing them.
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I agree and disagree. Money may not buy happiness, but the lack of it sure can make you unhappy. I tell young people today two things:

Most importantly, get/develop a skill. With a skill, you're unlikely to be poor and you're likely to enjoy your work.

Work/Save/Invest. It is not very hard to become well off if you have a decent income but if you spend it all, all the time, you'll find yourself old without a decent life. In some countries, the social system may take care of that but not in the US. My monthly medical costs are more than my social security and I've paid the max into social security for over 40 years so I get the max monthly benefit. If I had to try to live on it, I would see no point in being alive!
 
baz said:
We are all pretty shocked to be honest
You never really know what's going on with people
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Very sorry to hear that Baz. Of course no one knows if it was lock down triggered or not, but the statistics are very clear that there is a huge problem with the suicide rate since then, and it’s obviously not a coincidence.

Regarding your mate, I think we should all try and remember that the mate we see at work is a version of a person we know, we slot into such things, act the part, fit in, etc. I’m fairly certain the version of your mate alone in his bed sit at night would have been a different one.

God rest his soul.
 
<On all sorts of anti depressants etc>

Im firmly convinced that those drugs are a case of the cure is worse than the disease.
We all have an image of ourselves that we believe is true and want the world to see us the same way. Problem is we can never see ourselves as we really are and not even as the world sees us. I can see your problems but mine are not so clear
to me as they are to you.
Most of us here are of a certain age and have had ups and downs. When someone
decides that punching out is better than hanging on you probably can remember
getting close to that at some point.
If you had terminal cancer, suicide makes sense to a healthy person. Mental illness can be terminal too . Just a descent into hopelessness. Not so different an illness.
 
Onder said:
<On all sorts of anti depressants etc>

Im firmly convinced that those drugs are a case of the cure is worse than the disease.
We all have an image of ourselves that we believe is true and want the world to see us the same way. Problem is we can never see ourselves as we really are and not even as the world sees us. I can see your problems but mine are not so clear
to me as they are to you.
Most of us here are of a certain age and have had ups and downs. When someone
decides that punching out is better than hanging on you probably can remember
getting close to that at some point.
If you had terminal cancer, suicide makes sense to a healthy person. Mental illness can be terminal too . Just a descent into hopelessness. Not so different an illness.
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He was fit and healthy in his late 30s
Just couldn't hack it I guess
 
Onder said:
<On all sorts of anti depressants etc>

Im firmly convinced that those drugs are a case of the cure is worse than the disease.
We all have an image of ourselves that we believe is true and want the world to see us the same way. Problem is we can never see ourselves as we really are and not even as the world sees us. I can see your problems but mine are not so clear
to me as they are to you.
Most of us here are of a certain age and have had ups and downs. When someone
decides that punching out is better than hanging on you probably can remember
getting close to that at some point.
If you had terminal cancer, suicide makes sense to a healthy person. Mental illness can be terminal too . Just a descent into hopelessness. Not so different an illness.
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I was perusing the motorcycle thread on Reddit and was shocked at the number of ads for antidepressants. This drugs are no joke and have serious side effects and yet they seem to be a part of our cultural main stream.

I wonder if, in the case of men committing suicide, it's not more the way men tend to handle problems. We look for solutions when there aren't any. We try and fix things when there is no good fix. I was out of work for almost three years when I was in my 30s. I struggled with depression. It seemed that the whole world had no place or use for me. I was fortunate to have a wife that cared, that understood and that stuck with me. The pressures to get out of that situation were enormous and the truth is everyone I knew was rebuilding their careers. Planes flew into towers. The local Dotcom and Telecom industries crashed. It's was not unlike the pandemic quarantine. I went from a well paid art director at a media agency to mowing pastures, painting fences and doing tractor service work to make some cash.
 
Onder said:
He was physically healthy. But mentally very ill.
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I can go some way to understanding his situation
He loved his bike but that had to go after he split up
His other passion was surfing but that soon stopped because he couldn't afford to get to Cornwall in his van anymore
So he took up paddle boarding on the local canals until his van broke down and he couldn't afford to fix it so no more paddle boarding as he needed the van to move it
So he was using the bus for work and the food bank for food
A whole catalogue of disasters " at least for him it seems" as said people have different levels of stress
And I'm really not sure about anti depressants
I really cannot believe he did it
 
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The real cost of lockdowns….
 
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It only takes that one sleepless night and then the predawn hour of essentially madness.
Probably just one of countless nights just like that previously. Utterly depressed.
 
Tragic. Its hard to imagine being in such a state of mind to do such a thing. No doubt you and your colleagues will raise a glass or three in his memory.
 
daveforty said:
Tragic. Its hard to imagine being in such a state of mind to do such a thing. No doubt you and your colleagues will raise a glass or three in his memory.
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We will be doing just that
We've had people die before but not this
I've already banged on too much about it
It's not really appropriate for here tbh
But I'm pretty shocked and "the cost of lockdowns " seems to ring true the more I think about it
 
Pulling the plug on life , can be a very rational decision , all sorts of reasons for a person to use to get that last choice ….
 
baz said:
We will be doing just that
We've had people die before but not this
I've already banged on too much about it
It's not really appropriate for here tbh
But I'm pretty shocked and "the cost of lockdowns " seems to ring true the more I think about it
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Talking about it, has value to me.
Those demons exist.
They are kept at bay outside the door.
My faith helps to keep that door locked & barricaded.
But that dark sheet exists.
Thank you for sharing.
 
I would guess that a significant number of those who perished during the lockdown did so because of pre-existing conditions of one sort or another.
 
Everything in life has to do with mindset and attitude. I was involved in an industrial incident in which a worker lost his eyesight then later hanged himself. Myself and 3 others had been in court as witnesses in his compensation case. And 3 of us had nervous breakdowns - the safety person, his section boss and myself. I was psychotic for 12 years but I defeated the psychosis by writing to the NSW Committee on Law and Justice, and our workplace safety laws became risk-based instead of prescriptive.
The system runs on bullshit and if you have a victim's mindset, you will be a victim.
Every impost is an opportunity for improvement.
The only guy who did not have a breakdown was his immediate supervisor who reckoned the claim for compensation was a scam - he was going blind before the incident happened. In court, his supervisor was declared to be a 'hostile witness'.
While I was recovering, I completed a postgraduate diploma in occupational hygiene at Deakin University. We used to have idiots visiting our factories spouting bullshit about safety - when they obviously did not know what they were talking about. One of them was a medical doctor - it must have been a highly paid gig. The other one was a puffed-up jerk.
That worker's compensation case might have been a scam, but he should still have been wearing a face shield, when working with chemical solutions. Which prescriptive law covers that ?
I am not a nice person, our current OHS laws are the reason every bastard ended up wearing masks during the lock downs.
If you were making nitroglycerine would you wear a steel suit ?
 
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Craig said:
Pulling the plug on life , can be a very rational decision , all sorts of reasons for a person to use to get that last choice ….
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Its a permanent solution to a temporary problem. 43 years ago my sister found that out while all three of her children were home with her. Nothing very rational about it.
 
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Onder said:
I would guess that a significant number of those who perished during the lockdown did so because of pre-existing conditions of one sort or another.
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This is another issues for which COVID and lockdowns was a correction. Here in the US we have become masters of managing marginal health issues with drugs and clinic visits. Many folks with obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other ailment live lives that are possible because of careful drug management. The truth is these people are medically fragile and prone to the worst of COVID.
 
Onder said:
I would guess that a significant number of those who perished during the lockdown did so because of pre-existing conditions of one sort or another.
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I only knew one who died, and he died of being a standard American male. My doctor, who was a retired USAF Flight Surgeon, Ronald Reagon's White House Military Doctor, two years younger than me to the day, looked like he just left the military, and took no daily pills died early on. As smart and as experienced as he was, he thought he could handle it on his own. The truly weird part is that none of the members of his household got it, and he stayed home until he died.
 
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