The real cost of lockdowns….

Very interesting and of course no surprises we all knew what effect it would have on people
I feel very sorry for the kids trying to grow up through this mess
But still plenty of people got rich out of it and that's all that matters right?
Did someone say PPE or T&T
 
I think lock-downs had some unintended and unforeseen consequences. One such consequence was driving a host of motivated and skilled workers out of the job market. Many people at or above retirement age called it quits. Many in that age group got COVID and were left scared by the experience. Some died. The result was a very different type of job market at the end of lock downs. Companies expected workers to show up, hat in hand, ready to assume the position as if nothing had happened. Instead no one showed up and the younger people that did show up were expecting to be well paid, not willing to work more then their assigned shift and asking questions and talking back. Companies lost the ability to call the shots and they are still reeling from it to this day.

The whole employment dynamic is still broken. It couldn't have continued with companies grinding out productivity gains from their employees while keeping wages flat but it had been going on for so long that many managers and CEOs had never know anything different.
 
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Big_Jim59 said:
I think lock-downs had some unintended and unforeseen consequences. One such consequence was driving a host of motivated and skilled workers out of the job market. Many people at or above retirement age called it quits. Many in that age group got COVID and were left scared by the experience. Some died. The result was a very different type of job market at the end of lock downs. Companies expected workers to show up, hat in hand, ready to assume the position as if nothing had happened. Instead no one showed up and the younger people that did show up were expecting to be well paid, not willing to work more then their assigned shift and asking questions and talking back. Companies lost the ability to call the shot and they are still reeling from it to this day.

The whole employment dynamic is still broken. It couldn't have continued with companies grinding out productivity gains from their employees while keeping wages flat but it had been going on for so long that many managers and CEOs had never know anything different.
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I work in the construction industry as a fabricator welder
The office staff working from home caused havoc and long delays
Trying to get hold of draftsman that were working from home to sort out drawing errors was a daily chore
There's nothing like walking into the drawing office, drawing in hand or pulling up a drawing on a screen to check a dimension etc takes seconds
Putting in an RFI then sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting was not the best use of our time
They really kicked up a fuss when they had to come back to the office
Some of the rules at that time were laughable you had to keep 2m away from each other when you had a 1m gangway in which to pass each other
3 people working on jobs that weren't even 2m long
 
Big_Jim59 said:
I think lock-downs had some unintended and unforeseen consequences. One such consequence was driving a host of motivated and skilled workers out of the job market. Many people at or above retirement age called it quits. Many in that age group got COVID and were left scared by the experience. Some died. The result was a very different type of job market at the end of lock downs. Companies expected workers to show up, hat in hand, ready to assume the position as if nothing had happened. Instead no one showed up and the younger people that did show up were expecting to be well paid, not willing to work more then their assigned shift and asking questions and talking back. Companies lost the ability to call the shots and they are still reeling from it to this day.

The whole employment dynamic is still broken. It couldn't have continued with companies grinding out productivity gains from their employees while keeping wages flat but it had been going on for so long that many managers and CEOs had never know anything different.
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Unintended, yes…. Unforeseen, NO !

These down sides were seen and were predicted, but no one wanted to listen, and in extreme cases voices were silenced.
 
I think the lockdowns are getting a lot of the blame for a cultural shift that was going to happen anyway at some point. The Boomer generation, moving out of the job market, was going to have huge ramification as their spending decreased and their experience and work ethnic left with them.

A second thing the global lockdown did was show the inherent weakness in global supply chains. As an example I believe it was Ford that had thousands of trucks, parked at airfields because the chips to make them work were not available. Supply chains took a hit that I am not sure is back to normal. In my neighborhood , here in North Texas, they are building not one but two high end chip plants. I think the idea is not to be at the mercy of global supplier. I am not sure they have thought this through since we are prone to strong tornadic store systems raging through here from time to time.
 
Big_Jim59 said:
I think the lockdowns are getting a lot of the blame for a cultural shift that was going to happen anyway at some point. The Boomer generation, moving out of the job market, was going to have huge ramification as their spending decreased and their experience and work ethnic left with them.

A second thing the global lockdown did was show the inherent weakness in global supply chains. As an example I believe it was Ford that had thousands of trucks, parked at airfields because the chips to make them work were not available. Supply chains took a hit that I am not sure is back to normal. In my neighborhood , here in North Texas, they are building not one but two high end chip plants. I think the idea is not to be at the mercy of global supplier. I am not sure they have thought this through since we are prone to strong tornadic store systems raging through here from time to time.
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I think you may be right about some of this especially with regards to the so called boomer generation
Maybe the lockdown just sped things up a bit
But the bitterness from people that could not visit their loved ones that were dying alone
People that couldn't attend funerals whilst our government were partying
And kids with all sorts of mental health issues
It'll take a long time for these memories to fade if ever
Personally I will not comply if it happens again
 
baz said:
I think you may be right about some of this especially with regards to the so called boomer generation
Maybe the lockdown just sped things up a bit
But the bitterness from people that could not visit their loved ones that were dying alone
People that couldn't attend funerals whilst our government were partying
And kids with all sorts of mental health issues
It'll take a long time for these memories to fade if ever
Personally I will not comply if it happens again
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Personally I think if they try it again here in the US more people will die violent deaths than from disease. Unless those in power decide to overlook massive civil disobedience.
 
Big_Jim59 said:
I think the lockdowns are getting a lot of the blame for a cultural shift that was going to happen anyway at some point. The Boomer generation, moving out of the job market, was going to have huge ramification as their spending decreased and their experience and work ethnic left with them.

A second thing the global lockdown did was show the inherent weakness in global supply chains. As an example I believe it was Ford that had thousands of trucks, parked at airfields because the chips to make them work were not available. Supply chains took a hit that I am not sure is back to normal. In my neighborhood , here in North Texas, they are building not one but two high end chip plants. I think the idea is not to be at the mercy of global supplier. I am not sure they have thought this through since we are prone to strong tornadic store systems raging through here from time to time.
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Yes I think you could be correct. Many people I know in their 60s did not go back after lockdown. Or only went back part time. Supply chains came apart and priceswent way up.

For many years most western countries bought all their cheap products from China Indonesia Indian etc. Which is great if you want a cheap teashirt or electronics but it meant local businesses shut down and many skills were lost. When covid happened we didn't know how to replace those goods locally.

So I do wonder if covid only advanced what was going to happen anyway.
 
baz said:
I think you may be right about some of this especially with regards to the so called boomer generation
Maybe the lockdown just sped things up a bit
But the bitterness from people that could not visit their loved ones that were dying alone
People that couldn't attend funerals whilst our government were partying
And kids with all sorts of mental health issues
It'll take a long time for these memories to fade if ever
Personally I will not comply if it happens again
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I think the lockdowns did more to blast people out of their complacency and expose the corruption that has become the global apparatus. I think that the "pandemic" and the aftermath of lockdowns is this' generations Great Depression. It turned the course of the US from business as usual politics to making politics a free for all. It has halted a solid march to globalization and made people think that a big centralized governemnt might not be in the best interest of everyone.
 
I have several resounding memories from that time
One was visiting the surgeon in hospital before a knee operation
You had to wear a mask to enter the hospital
So I put a new mask on before entering only to be stopped and told I must wear one that was supplied by the hospital
This mask was identical to the one I threw in the bin that's was minutes old !!
As I went through to meet the surgeon he wasn't wearing a mask
He shook my hand and said'you can take that off if you like I'm not going along with that bollocks '
He was a westernised Asian,a well respected surgeon and a great bloke
It was a turning point for me
 
If you are a leader, it is wise to manage the risks systematically, and enable your help to work without constant intervention. That way you prevent incidents from happening. When there is a crisis, the leader must step-up and lead. In a crisis, industrial democracy is not as important as saving lives.
The documentation part of ISO 9000 management systems should be used for training purposes.
 
Well when covid spread as fast as it did no one knew what could happen, people were dying world wide, vaccines were rushed to combat, lock downs did they work and save lives, sciences and doctors didn't know then it changed and different strains kept coming.
Thing has seemed to have changed with people's attitude to it now and seems to be just treated as another strain of a bad flu, but covid hasn't gone away and here in Aus it's raring its head up again in our summer, but thing is its seems everyone is more relaxed about it, if you feel sick stay home but if you don't feel sick keep working even if you been tested positive, life goes on but still it spreads, but now we have no clue how many are hospitalized or still dying as our leaders aren't telling us no more, just carry on as normal.
 
ashman said:
Well when covid spread as fast as it did no one knew what could happen, people were dying world wide, vaccines were rushed to combat, lock downs did they work and save lives, sciences and doctors didn't know then it changed and different strains kept coming.
Thing has seemed to have changed with people's attitude to it now and seems to be just treated as another strain of a bad flu, but covid hasn't gone away and here in Aus it's raring its head up again in our summer, but thing is its seems everyone is more relaxed about it, if you feel sick stay home but if you don't feel sick keep working even if you been tested positive, life goes on but still it spreads, but now we have no clue how many are hospitalized or still dying as our leaders aren't telling us no more, just carry on as normal.
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There's no time off work for COVID in the UK
Sweden never locked down and it made no difference
 
I wonder how many Covid deaths could be traced to certain drugs in the systems of the fatalities? (drugs that combine badly with the vax) I'm not proposing a new conspiracy theory, just wondering what the possibilities are...

Certainly big pharma would NEVER admit THAT...
 
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grandpaul said:
I wonder how many Covid deaths could be traced to certain drugs in the systems of the fatalities? (drugs that combine badly with the vax) I'm not proposing a new conspiracy theory, just wondering what the possibilities are...

Certainly big pharma would NEVER admit THAT...
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They did in the end admit that the jab didn't stop the spread of the infection
Which called into question the whole premise of rules regarding travel etc having to show a proof of vaccination
Not being allowed in certain places and people labelled granny killers or COVID deniers just because they chose not to take the vaccine
This caused great divisions in the UK
This came to a head when 80,000+ NHS workers were faced with the sack if they didn't take the jab
In the end the government backed down but already many care workers had already been dismissed leaving a massive hole in the care worker sector with many choosing not to go back
 
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