What's happening at Norton? Sale to TVS, massive investment, new bikes...

I thought "Trolling" is where you are attacking a person.
I was making, less than flattering, comment on the "plastic, fantastic" offerings from TVS/Norton.
How is that "Trolling" Stephen?
 
robs ss said:
I thought "Trolling" is where you are attacking a person.
I was making, less than flattering, comment on the "plastic, fantastic" offerings from TVS/Norton.
How is that "Trolling" Stephen?
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To make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them

Our pal Stephen is sensitive when it comes to anything Norton. I think secretly he works for TVS in the PR dept 🤣
 
robs ss said:
I thought "Trolling" is where you are attacking a person.
I was making, less than flattering, comment on the "plastic, fantastic" offerings from TVS/Norton.
How is that "Trolling" Stephen?
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Don’t go there. You’ll be wrong no matter what you say.
Stephen is an undercover insider at TVS Norton.
Ask me how I know
 
If the Manx R ever reaches Aus - no mention of it yet - and it turns out to be the smokin’ road bike it promises to be I’m pretty sure I’m gonna pick one up. Awesome garage companion for the 961. Either end of the modern Norton tech spectrum.

Have to say, regardless of performance, I still prefer the styling of the V4sv. No possibility of owning the SV though.

Definitely some crossover styling wise I think.

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NorTriDuc said:
Correct and the TT isn’t the only race in the world. Some people seem to forget that.

www.roadracingworld.com

MotoGP: Ducati's Record-Breaking Year In Numbers

Ducati Corse breaks down its record-breaking 2024 MotoGP season, which included the team, rider and manufacturer World Championships.
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Just to be clear I'm talking about SuperBikes not MotoGP. SuperBikes that the general biking public will actually ride and race. Showing me MotoGP results is like comparing F1 cars to Rally cars. This not a Ducati vs BMW thing for me because I own both.
 
speirmoor said:
Just to be clear I'm talking about SuperBikes not MotoGP. SuperBikes that the general biking public will actually ride and race. Showing me MotoGP results is like comparing F1 cars to Rally cars. This not a Ducati vs BMW thing for me because I own both.
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A superbike can refer to two things:
a high-performance, production-based motorcycle for street use, often with an engine displacement of over 900 cc, and a highly modified version of this bike used in professional racing series like the Superbike World Championship. These race-spec superbikes must visually resemble their road-legal counterparts but are equipped with performance parts to improve speed and handling.

Road superbikes
  • Performance: These are powerful motorcycles designed for high-performance road and track use.
  • Engine size: The term is often associated with bikes that have engine displacements of 900 cc or more.
  • Ergonomics: Their design typically features a forward-tilted seat and hunched-over rider position for improved aerodynamics.

Racing superbikes
  • Homologated bikes: Superbikes used in racing championships must be based on production bikes that are sold to the public.
  • Modification rules: While the frame and engine block must be from a production model, manufacturers can make modifications to internal engine parts, suspension, and electronics for racing.
  • Performance differences: Race-spec superbikes produce significantly more horsepower than their street-legal counterparts.
  • Series: The main international series for this type of racing is the Superbike World Championship (WorldSBK).
  • Purpose: The "Win on Sunday; Sell on Monday" slogan highlights how this racing series is used to promote and sell the road going versions of these bikes.
For racing these superbikes are highly modified and not stock has they came from the factory because the regulations say what can or can’t be modified. Just like rally cars, the top series are tube chassis cars with carbon fibre outer body parts and the lower series are street cars with multi point roll cages, many versions depending on the series. Point is whenever you reference a racing series it no longer is a road legal be it 2 or 4 wheels.
Just like boi fuel, what comes out the tail pipe between bio fuel and fossil fuel is the same chemicals compound after combustion that shouldn’t be in the atmosphere for humans to breathe.
 
speirmoor said:
Just to be clear I'm talking about SuperBikes not MotoGP. SuperBikes that the general biking public will actually ride and race. Showing me MotoGP results is like comparing F1 cars to Rally cars. This not a Ducati vs BMW thing for me because I own both.
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The point I was making is, the TT isn’t the only race series out there. Just because one brand might dominate one series, doesn’t mean they’re at a loss in another series.

The TT bikes aren’t stock bikes though either.
I’m not comparing one brand to another.
 
speirmoor said:
Just to be clear I'm talking about SuperBikes not MotoGP. SuperBikes that the general biking public will actually ride and race. Showing me MotoGP results is like comparing F1 cars to Rally cars. This not a Ducati vs BMW thing for me because I own both.
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From the inter webs

Ducati
is the manufacturer with the most World Superbike (WSBK) titles, holding a record 16 championship titles.
The breakdown of manufacturers by the number of World Superbike titles won is as follows:
[th]
Manufacturer​
[/th][th]
Titles Won​
[/th][th]
Season(s)​
[/th]​
 [td]Ducati[/td][td]16[/td][td]1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2011, 2022, 2023[/td] [td]Kawasaki[/td][td]8[/td][td]1993, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020[/td] [td]Honda[/td][td]6[/td][td]1988, 1989, 1997, 2000, 2002, 2007[/td] [td]Aprilia[/td][td]3[/td][td]2010, 2012, 2014[/td] [td]Yamaha[/td][td]2[/td][td]2009, 2021[/td]
Ducati has also accumulated the most race wins and podium finishes in the championship's history. You can find more historical data and current standings on the official WorldSBK website.
 
Ducati
is the manufacturer with the most World Superbike (WSBK) titles, holding a record 16 championship titles.

Don’t know if it can be read the post above, the top reads Ducati had won the most superbike titles
To compare one bike to another in racing of any kind you first have to enter and race, like the previous Norton dirt bag did
 
OK, not reading from some list...

How many Nortons over their history won what was a Superbike class at the time? Norton won it's first road race 49 years before Ducati won one.

A measly Triumph 500 beat the crap out of all comers at Daytona in 1967. The top 10 that year were all Triumph and Harley, best Ducati - 27th.

From about 1971 through about 1975, the Triumph Trident won the TT. AFAIK, Ducati has never won the TT.

So, I'm sure Ducati is at the top of some lists, just don't know that it matters in the grand scheme of things just like the Trident being a really big deal at one time means little now.

Through 2016, Aermacchi was in the top 10 of TT wins with 18 wins - so what?

In the end, the rider's skill and guts is what really matters. Race teams to what they can to make their bike competitive, and assuming the bike doesn't break, the winner is the best rider in most cases. That a barely modified Triumph 500 could win anything tells you it's true!
 
This is my take on this Norton super bike and all that has been said and written on here from members and everyone is entitled to their opinion and some members get all worked up when the don’t like to read other members opinion(s)
Norton stopped being a motor cycle company in the 70s ( fact). In the late 2000 it was resurrected like Jesus ( but Jesus didn’t stick around after he came back from the dead). But garner knew that you have to put up or shut up and he at least took his norton’s to TT. TVS/norton has a super bike (they or influencers say this), if you has a builder of motorcycles say you have a superbike put it to the test with all other superbikes and see/show what you have a superbike. Until then you only have a crotch rocket.
I’m not disagreeing what Norton have won or didn’t win. In the modern era no motor cycle company want to be associated with TT due to the unsafe road corse conditions and riders dying. To me these are the bravest riders on the planet.
 
marshg246 said:
OK, not reading from some list...

How many Nortons over their history won what was a Superbike class at the time? Norton won it's first road race 49 years before Ducati won one.

A measly Triumph 500 beat the crap out of all comers at Daytona in 1967. The top 10 that year were all Triumph and Harley, best Ducati - 27th.

From about 1971 through about 1975, the Triumph Trident won the TT. AFAIK, Ducati has never won the TT.

So, I'm sure Ducati is at the top of some lists, just don't know that it matters in the grand scheme of things just like the Trident being a really big deal at one time means little now.

Through 2016, Aermacchi was in the top 10 of TT wins with 18 wins - so what?

In the end, the rider's skill and guts is what really matters. Race teams to what they can to make their bike competitive, and assuming the bike doesn't break, the winner is the best rider in most cases. That a barely modified Triumph 500 could win anything tells you it's true!
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Mike Hailwood won the 1978 F1 TT on a Ducati
 
VMI said:
This is my take on this Norton super bike and all that has been said and written on here from members and everyone is entitled to their opinion and some members get all worked up when the don’t like to read other members opinion(s)
Norton stopped being a motor cycle company in the 70s ( fact). In the late 2000 it was resurrected like Jesus ( but Jesus didn’t stick around after he came back from the dead). But garner knew that you have to put up or shut up and he at least took his norton’s to TT. TVS/norton has a super bike (they or influencers say this), if you has a builder of motorcycles say you have a superbike put it to the test with all other superbikes and see/show what you have a superbike. Until then you only have a crotch rocket.
I’m not disagreeing what Norton have won or didn’t win. In the modern era no motor cycle company want to be associated with TT due to the unsafe road corse conditions and riders dying. To me these are the bravest riders on the planet.
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What planet were you on when Norton were making the rotary bikes and thrashing the other super bikes in the UK, including at the TT. ?
 
marshg246 said:
OK, not reading from some list...

How many Nortons over their history won what was a Superbike class at the time? Norton won it's first road race 49 years before Ducati won one.

A measly Triumph 500 beat the crap out of all comers at Daytona in 1967. The top 10 that year were all Triumph and Harley, best Ducati - 27th.

From about 1971 through about 1975, the Triumph Trident won the TT. AFAIK, Ducati has never won the TT.

So, I'm sure Ducati is at the top of some lists, just don't know that it matters in the grand scheme of things just like the Trident being a really big deal at one time means little now.

Through 2016, Aermacchi was in the top 10 of TT wins with 18 wins - so what?

In the end, the rider's skill and guts is what really matters. Race teams to what they can to make their bike competitive, and assuming the bike doesn't break, the winner is the best rider in most cases. That a barely modified Triumph 500 could win anything tells you it's true!
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Ducati never won the TT???
Lmfao. Ooooook
 
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