Amal needles and needle jets .

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On the last few rides my bike , 73 750 , 932 amals RH6 head , it was starting to surge at constant speeds , or if I put it in 3rd and at half ? throttle or so , no load and just let it rev it would be almost misfire and run really bad , I changed the plugs cleaned the battery terminals, cleaned the air filter ,pilots all ok , idles great, I ordered some needle jets , and I compared the old with the new using a number drill the old needle jets were worn ,bike rides really good now , I haven't done the needles yet , can someone let me know are these prone to wear as well ? Cheers
 
Every 3 or 4 years I replace all my needles and jets, carbie kits are cheap for a good running engine but of course it also depends on how many miles you clock up each year, I run 270 main jets in my Amals the kit also has new float needles but jets wear from vibrations, the needle are usually good but the kit comes with all so I do replace them, the jets wear oval from the vibrations of the motor, but if you rubber mount your carbs they wear less, it's just good practice as well part of a major maintenance of our Norton's to service the carbies every so often and as I say carbie kits are cheap to keep our Norton's running sweet, my Norton was an everyday rider since new till 2013 so every 3/4 years worked out good for replacing the jets and all.
I was running Jim's PWK carbies for a few years but had more troubles with sticking float in one carb so have gone back to my old Amals in the last 1 1/2 years I gave the carbs a good clean one pilot jet was blocked and a full new carbie kit fitted, the bike runs so much better with the Amals and Joe Hunt magneto as well so much easier to work/maintain the Amals.
 
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Thanks for that , the 626 amals on my T160 are just starting to burble as well. ! , and cleans up at 7500 , they take the same 106 , so luckily I ordered 5 of them , another job to do . 🙂
 
Since they rub, chafe and rattle together for a living I always replace the pair.
They've transformed some really flogged out carbs for me, including some where the slides were quite loose.
 
Every 3 or 4 years I replace all my needles and jets,

Amal???
All of them???
Ash.... Why?
Needle Jet yes. Needle... Yes/maybe.
Idle jet... Why? Main Jet... Why?
Is your 48 years of owning a Norton... (add nostrum.)... you repeat your 48 year statement over and over again.. now why change all your jets?
What wears out a main jet and a idle jet? just wondering out loud there Ash.
Questions to the man down under?
 
The needles vibrate in the carbs and cause the brass jets to wear oval and cause the bike to run rich over time, took me some time to work out worn jets were causing a lot of running problem when worn, it's not only Amal carbs that do this and carbs that are hard mounted on the manifold can wear out jets, needles are harder so not much chance they wear but brass jets do, rubber mounted carbs wear less over time, but as I say full carb kits are cheap and you get everything in the kits but just got to make sure you get the jets you are running in the kits.
It also how many miles you have clocked up in those 3 or 4 years my Norton was an everyday rider most of its life so 6k to 12k mile per year of riding, the last 12 years my Norton is semi retired so not a everyday rider no longer but it taken out regularly.
Its 49+ years I have owned my Norton, I think in all that time I have learned a thing or 2 about my Norton and I say my Norton and what is needed to keep it running sweet and a one kick starter, heat also plays a part in tuning we live in a hot climate down under 9 months of hot and warm weather, and 3 months of mild winters which we are 2/3 of the way through our winter and the Norton runs ever better in the cooler days, but I also run a Lochart oil cooler all year round since 1978.
I am no tec person but I do know my own Norton and as well mates Norton's I have done rebuilds on and help to keep them running sweet, I do all my own work, rebuilds and maintenance and my old Norton has always been a runner as well very reliable, so I must be doing something right as the mates who had Commando's as well the one or 2 who still do always come back to me for help or advice, always willing to help mates and mates of mates lol.
I have also owned and worked on a few older Triumphs over my 50+ years of riding, just the Nortons are my favorite been hooked since I was 17 years old and I owned 2 new Triumph Thruxtons that seem to keep going without touching them except oil and filter changes so now only the Norton and the 2016 Thruxton in my stable of on road bikes, have a 1960 Manxman project build as well my 2007 Honda CRF450X dirt bike, always had a dirt bike since 15 years old, I just prefer British bikes over most and Honda dirt bikes and the most important thing as I get older I am still riding them all as hard as I have always rode, I be an old age pensioner in 4 months time, ride hard and live young in mind, but a bit wiser now.

Ashley (from down under and still loving 2 wheels)
Amal needles and needle jets .
Amal needles and needle jets .
Amal needles and needle jets .
 
Oh I'm sorry Ash it was 49 years. I stand corrected. Thank you for reminding us again and again.....
I have looked at needle jets that were worn through a shadow graph magnifier and measured wear in the jet.
Not seen any on main jet or Idle jet but what the heck.... you have 49 years.
 
😂😂 , all good guys , I had to replace the idle jets in my 76 GL1000, they were so blocked, ebay kit , K&L or some brand like that , goes OK now , too well, now I have to fit new ebc clutch kit and springs , got some 15% heavier ones , much the same as CB750 I believe.
Cheers
 
I would not insert a number drill into a needle jet to size it. I use a mix of metric and number drill when I make my own needle jets out of brass hex, but I use methanol fuel and the jets deliver twice as much fuel as with petrol, so I have twice the margin for error. With my bike the difference between fast and slow is half a thou of an inch. For you guys using petrol that is a quarter of a thou. - almost nothing. I suggest that if you want to check your jets, you probably need a bottle of gas and a flow meter.
When I make my jets for methanol, the last cut in the hole is one cut with a hand drill. I do not let the drill bit spin in the hole with an electric drill.
I use 6D Mikuni needles, the difference in taper changes performance - even with methanol. With petrol, it would make a big difference.
 
As far as jetting is concerned, four-strokes are similar to two-strokes. With a fast two-stroke the throttle must be fed-on in a controlled manner. With a Commando engine, the throttle can get ahead of the crankshaft. If you open it too fast the crankshaft might not spin up fast enough to sustain the vacuum. The natural tendency is to whack the throttle open when you want more speed - if the jetting is lean enough to get best power - slower throttle opening is better.
 
The Commando engine is very deceptive because of the heavy crank, however when jetted as a two-stroke is jetted, they can be much better. With a two-stroke, if you get it wrong, it often refuses to even start. I used to believe the bullshit that rich means more power because more fuel is used. Perfect combustion and timing give the best power from a fuel at a given compression ratio. The other thing is more torque from a Commando needs higher gearing to detect it.
 
The Commando engine is very deceptive because of the heavy crank, however when jetted as a two-stroke is jetted, they can be much better. With a two-stroke, if you get it wrong, it often refuses to even start. I used to believe the bullshit that rich means more power because more fuel is used. Perfect combustion and timing give the best power from a fuel at a given compression ratio. The other thing is more torque from a Commando needs higher gearing to detect it.
There’s no magic to a Commando. And there’s no relationship to a 2 stroke beyond the obvious.

Aim for around 12-13:1 A/F ratio (as you would with any old skool air cooled lump) and it’ll run good.

Try to be clever and run it at 14.7:1 stoichiometric efficiency and you’ll have heat issues.

You’ll get nowhere running expansion chambers !
 
There’s no magic to a Commando. And there’s no relationship to a 2 stroke beyond the obvious.

Aim for around 12-13:1 A/F ratio (as you would with any old skool air cooled lump) and it’ll run good.

Try to be clever and run it at 14.7:1 stoichiometric efficiency and you’ll have heat issues.

You’ll get nowhere running expansion chambers !
Yeah but what pre mix would you recommend? I'm thinking 20-1 but some people will disagree
 
I would not insert a number drill into a needle jet to size it. I use a mix of metric and number drill when I make my own needle jets out of brass hex, but I use methanol fuel and the jets deliver twice as much fuel as with petrol, so I have twice the margin for error. With my bike the difference between fast and slow is half a thou of an inch. For you guys using petrol that is a quarter of a thou. - almost nothing. I suggest that if you want to check your jets, you probably need a bottle of gas and a flow meter.
When I make my jets for methanol, the last cut in the hole is one cut with a hand drill. I do not let the drill bit spin in the hole with an electric drill.
I use 6D Mikuni needles, the difference in taper changes performance - even with methanol. With petrol, it would make a big difference.
It was just to give me an idea how worn they were , I am pleased she's going ok now . I am getting new needles , their pretty cheap. Cheers
 
Castor oil for high speed runs.
Castor oil is banned in my house, when we were kids if we played up or got into trouble the one punishment we all hated was a dose of Castor oil on a large spoon and if you chucked it up you got another dosing, fark I can still taste that castor oil just talking about it so when my wife had babies she said castor oil is good for cradle cap that babies sometime suffer and I told her if she bring castor oil in this house she be shown the door + a few other word that I can't repeat here, some of the bad punishments that we endured when growing up, maybe should be brought back in the way some kid of today need, at lease when we were kids we respected our folks/parents more.
 
Castor oil is banned in my house, when we were kids if we played up or got into trouble the one punishment we all hated was a dose of Castor oil on a large spoon and if you chucked it up you got another dosing, fark I can still taste that castor oil just talking about it so when my wife had babies she said castor oil is good for cradle cap that babies sometime suffer and I told her if she bring castor oil in this house she be shown the door + a few other word that I can't repeat here, some of the bad punishments that we endured when growing up, maybe should be brought back in the way some kid of today need, at lease when we were kids we respected our folks/parents more.

The lives some people lead!

A mother hides the baby’s skin care products from her blustering husband.
 
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