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As he said, parcels arriving in the US as of last Saturday are incuring the Tariff . It has to be paid by AN or their shipper at that point in order for the item to be delivered to you.
I don't see how AN can not charge the customer at this time.
As a business owner, now retired, if I was in AN's shoes, I certainly would add the Tariff to the bill.
I wouldn't swallow it in the hope someone might reimburse me later on.



Glen

I get your point Glen. And as a retired owner of two companies it makes sense from one perspective only.
Of course costs get passed on...but that goes both ways, to the supplier of the supplier as well.
Your last sentence reinforces my point...the customer is being asked to "swallow it".
As a buying customer I would immediately look elsewhere rather than being told I have to help carry a supplier who "might" reimburse me later...depending on how it shakes out for said supplier.
 
(hand in the air) I HAVE A QUESTION:

Everyone knows there has been a tariff on US goods to the UK for several (many?) years.

How have THOSE tariffs been handled in the past?

I have been out of the retail trade since 2018, so I never concerned myself with those matters.

What I'm getting at is, UNQUESTIONABLY, it became a seamless process way back when. I would venture a guess that the handling of these matters would be SOMEWHAT similar, just in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION across the sea.
 
...then again, different countries handle certain matters in different ways.

However, certainly we have had OTHER tariffs in the past, how were THOSE handled?

I didn't mind collecting and paying sales tax, that was pretty simple.

-Tax on the total of goods to the customer, at 8.25%, itemized on the invoice, customer pays the total.
-I submit a statement at the end of the month with total sales, and total tax collected.
-I attach a check for the amount of the total tax collected to the State of Texas.
DONE.

I didn't fret much that I was being forced to be a tax collector for free, maybe i should have made a stink. I might do so re: tariffs (if I was still in business)
 
I get your point Glen. And as a retired owner of two companies it makes sense from one perspective only.
Of course costs get passed on...but that goes both ways, to the supplier of the supplier as well.
Your last sentence reinforces my point...the customer is being asked to "swallow it".
As a buying customer I would immediately look elsewhere rather than being told I have to help carry a supplier who "might" reimburse me later...depending on how it shakes out for said supplier.
I suspect the odds of reimbursement later are slim to none.
These tariffs are intended to raise a large amount of money for the US Government and I can't see them giving funds back to the people they taxed.

Glen
 
A tariff is charged by point B on an imported item supplied by point A.
Now that same tariff is mirrored on imports from point B.
Why is a newly equalized "compensation charge" passed on, in advance, even though said supplier admits they are not sure of a final pricing structure.

Therefore you the customer will pay in advance as a protection mechanism.
This charge being leveled in an industry that is plummeting in sales, profits and product value.

There's a lot of ways to structure and work with your customers. Paying more in advance "until we figure it out" is s not conducive to gaining my biz.
Regardless of all the "pay you back later" claims.

JMHO

BTW,
Love BC, have close friends who fish The Dean for Steelhead
 
(hand in the air) I HAVE A QUESTION:

Everyone knows there has been a tariff on US goods to the UK for several (many?) years.

How have THOSE tariffs been handled in the past?

I have been out of the retail trade since 2018, so I never concerned myself with those matters.

What I'm getting at is, UNQUESTIONABLY, it became a seamless process way back when. I would venture a guess that the handling of these matters would be SOMEWHAT similar, just in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION across the sea.
In the UK if I order a parcel from the USA it arrives in the UK, the company in the UK that delivers to the door sends me an invoice to pay the tariff and the sales tax before they will deliver to the door - a very simple process. However, in the USA the administration that introduced the tariff are insisting the courier pays at the border, this very different to how the UK does it. In the UK the parcel can enter the UK without tariff being paid and can wait until the customer pays the tariff and then has it delivered, in the USA it can't work like this.
I don't know of any business that would take the 10% hit in the current climate and then try and claim it from a customer the other side of the Atlantic as I suspect and yes, we have heard this many times in recent months 'Trump has said that you'll pay the tariff' meaning AN or the exporter to the US, as you can imagine that is not going to happen.
These US rules will apply to RGM, Norvil, Wassel and anyone else from around the globe sending to the US, including the penguins, if they don't have contracts with shippers then I very much suspect that parcels will be scrapped and not delivered to the customer if some have not done what AN have then they could be in for a very expensive surprise when their shipper sends them the monthly invoice, if they have a contract shipper that is.
Feel free as buying customer to look elsewhere, every company outside the US will be treated the same - payment by courier at the US border, I'm pretty sure that even our competitors are not that daft to send parcels and take a 10% plus exchange rate charges hit later.

Don't shoot the supplier, no matter where they are in the world outside the USA - The USA administration has said this is how it wants the tariff to be collected, whether it be shoes, clothing, cars or classic motorcycle parts.
 
In the UK if I order a parcel from the USA it arrives in the UK, the company in the UK that delivers to the door sends me an invoice to pay the tariff and the sales tax before they will deliver to the door - a very simple process. However, in the USA the administration that introduced the tariff are insisting the courier pays at the border, this very different to how the UK does it. In the UK the parcel can enter the UK without tariff being paid and can wait until the customer pays the tariff and then has it delivered, in the USA it can't work like this.
I don't know of any business that would take the 10% hit in the current climate and then try and claim it from a customer the other side of the Atlantic as I suspect and yes, we have heard this many times in recent months 'Trump has said that you'll pay the tariff' meaning AN or the exporter to the US, as you can imagine that is not going to happen.
These US rules will apply to RGM, Norvil, Wassel and anyone else from around the globe sending to the US, including the penguins, if they don't have contracts with shippers then I very much suspect that parcels will be scrapped and not delivered to the customer if some have not done what AN have then they could be in for a very expensive surprise when their shipper sends them the monthly invoice, if they have a contract shipper that is.
Feel free as buying customer to look elsewhere, every company outside the US will be treated the same - payment by courier at the US border, I'm pretty sure that even our competitors are not that daft to send parcels and take a 10% plus exchange rate charges hit later.

Don't shoot the supplier, no matter where they are in the world outside the USA - The USA administration has said this is how it wants the tariff to be collected, whether it be shoes, clothing, cars or classic motorcycle parts.
The devil is always in the detail, and it seems no-one in the current US administration bothered to work out the how's and when's before dumping this on the rest of the world.
Despite what the administration claims, these tariffs are going to end up at the US customer, not the exporter.
 
The devil is always in the detail, and it seems no-one in the current US administration bothered to work out the how's and when's before dumping this on the rest of the world.
Despite what the administration claims, these tariffs are going to end up at the US customer, not the exporter.
Your response is based on WHAT?
 
Here is an example of the trade rules US residents have been dealing with.




France erroneously charged (warranty service return) the receiving vendor 230 euros on a return of shocks that originally cost 900 euros.
Plucked it from their account.
Pretty heavy percentage there.

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infos@fournales.fr







To:You
Wed 7/19/2023 8:02 AM

Hello

Thank you for your answer.

Unfortunately, the customs of France (it is a state service, it is not a private company). Customs accepts that the declaration you made at the time of sending your shock absorber.

the amount of taxes was automatically levied from our bank account.



Best regards

Cordialement



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Envoyé : mercredi 19 juillet 2023 13:35
À : infos@fournales.fr
Objet : Re: ORDER FINISHED


Hello, I attached a printed copy of the attached document to the outside (as well as another printed copy on the inside) of the package, clearly stating "after sales service" as instructed.
Please provide that information to your customs agency.
Best regards,

From: infos@fournales.fr <infos@fournales.fr>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 2:39 PM
To:
Cc: direction@fournales.fr <direction@fournales.fr>
Subject: TR: ORDER FINISHED


Hi



We have the problem with your last order.

1) Sorry, you did not make the correct documentation for customs. (declaration for "after sales service", value/amount at 0 euros ).

2) Your invoice (commercial invoice) was considered as our purchase in the USA.

Please consult the import-export rules between USA and France.



Consequences: (See attached the customs documents and the UPS document).

1) we received the UPS invoice for customs fees/duties – 32€.

2) we had to pay VAT – 198€

Total: 32 + 198 = 230 euros



Unfortunately, we are obliged to ask you to pay us the taxes.



Best regards

Cordialement
 
Hi



We have the problem with your last order.

1) Sorry, you did not make the correct documentation for customs. (declaration for "after sales service", value/amount at 0 euros ).

2) Your invoice (commercial invoice) was considered as our purchase in the USA.

Please consult the import-export rules between USA and France.



Consequences: (See attached the customs documents and the UPS document).

1) we received the UPS invoice for customs fees/duties – 32€.

2) we had to pay VAT – 198€

Total: 32 + 198 = 230 euros



Unfortunately, we are obliged to ask you to pay us the taxes.



Best regards

Cordialement
It seems that you did not fill out the customs form correctly, and thus they were charged import fees plus VAT. It's possible to apply for a VAT refund if the goods are re-exported again, but then its a question of how much time Fournales want to spend fixing your error.
I'm not quite sure how this is relevant to the topic being discussed. If I buy stuff from the US (or the UK or Oz or anywhere else outside the EU), I get to pay Danish MOMS which is 25% of the cost of the goods and postage. That's how it is.
 
In the UK if I order a parcel from the USA it arrives in the UK, the company in the UK that delivers to the door sends me an invoice to pay the tariff and the sales tax before they will deliver to the door - a very simple process. However, in the USA the administration that introduced the tariff are insisting the courier pays at the border, this very different to how the UK does it. In the UK the parcel can enter the UK without tariff being paid and can wait until the customer pays the tariff and then has it delivered, in the USA it can't work like this.
I don't know of any business that would take the 10% hit in the current climate and then try and claim it from a customer the other side of the Atlantic as I suspect and yes, we have heard this many times in recent months 'Trump has said that you'll pay the tariff' meaning AN or the exporter to the US, as you can imagine that is not going to happen.
These US rules will apply to RGM, Norvil, Wassel and anyone else from around the globe sending to the US, including the penguins, if they don't have contracts with shippers then I very much suspect that parcels will be scrapped and not delivered to the customer if some have not done what AN have then they could be in for a very expensive surprise when their shipper sends them the monthly invoice, if they have a contract shipper that is.
Feel free as buying customer to look elsewhere, every company outside the US will be treated the same - payment by courier at the US border, I'm pretty sure that even our competitors are not that daft to send parcels and take a 10% plus exchange rate charges hit later.

Don't shoot the supplier, no matter where they are in the world outside the USA - The USA administration has said this is how it wants the tariff to be collected, whether it be shoes, clothing, cars or classic motorcycle parts.
I suspect the US admin wants to keep the "sticker shock" of getting a tariff charge sent to the US customer directly as their order is importing, buried away with all the other charges at the checkout stage. This gives them some cover of buyers in the US seeing through their lies of the exporter pays for the US tariffs.
 
Time to pick a nit....

From today's AN email clarification:

"In this Statement, we incorrectly used "North America" to describe the area that this would apply to, not realising this is used to include Canada as well."

Mexico?
I know, I know, many people forget North America includes Mexico. I have trouble figuring out who is included in UK, Great Britain, England etc. and I as birthed there ;-)
 
The devil is always in the detail, and it seems no-one in the current US administration bothered to work out the how's and when's before dumping this on the rest of the world.
Despite what the administration claims, these tariffs are going to end up at the US customer, not the exporter.

The OP stated without "getting into politics", but I figured that wouldn't last long.
A closer look would reveal another observation involving analysis and foresight.
If viewed as "dumping", well, it's a bit more involved.

The US is parting with the asymmetrical tariff system of the last 50+ years pursuing a greater parody of trade globally.
China, Mexico, Viet Nam, Europe, Canada, India and many others all impose prohibitive tariffs. Now the world is pissed at the US while the tariffs imposed by these countries have resulted in bolstered, even thriving economies for so many of them.
If tariffs are so devastating to an economy as some in here imply why have these other nations thrived while imposing them? An now those that impose the tariffs are angry said tariffs are no longer asymmetrical. You mean equal application? Really?
Huh, why would that be?

Why do those who inaugurated the tariff get angry at the US for mirroring accordingly? Now the US is taking a beating globally because they seek a level playing field? In some countries a tariff as high as 250% is imposed on some imports from the US.
Those who originally implemented these tariffs are as culpable if not more so than than any matching tariffs the US designates.

If Russia invades Ukraine do we blame Ukraine for trying to reciprocate with the same methods?
Of course not.
This so called new tariff system is simply a reaction to what the importers of US products have been doing for so long.
The us didn't institute this system, but it is reacting to it.
I do know the only great depressions in the US were caused by Wall Street, not by trade wars or tariff issuance as so many of the big dollar fund managers howl about an oncoming depression. Methinks not.

My reasoning on not paying an exporter up front to cover undetermined costs for a part (and maybe getting a small percentage back?) while they have taken advantage of (I would too) said imbalance make me wince. I worked hard for my earnings.
Bottom line is sooner of later what goes around comes around.
 
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The OP stated without "getting into politics", but I figured that wouldn't last long.

The US is parting with the asymmetrical tariff system of the last 50+ years pursuing a greater parody of trade globally for the US.
China, Mexico, Viet Nam, Europe, Canada, India and many others all impose prohibitive tariffs. Now the world is pissed at the US while the tariffs imposed by these countries have resulted in bolstered, even thriving economies for so many of them.
If tariffs are so devastating to an economy as some in here imply why have these other nations thrived while imposing them? An now those that impose the tariffs are angry said tariffs are no longer asymmetrical. You mean equal application? Really?
Huh, why would that be?

Why do those who inaugurated the tariff get angry at the US for mirroring accordingly? Now the US is taking a beating globally because they seek a level playing field? In some countries a tariff as high as 250% is imposed on some imports from the US.
Those who originally implemented these tariffs are as culpable if not more so than than any matching tariffs the US designates.

If Russia invades Ukraine do we blame Ukraine for trying to reciprocate with the same methods?
Of course not.
This so called new tariff system is simply a reaction to what the importers of US products have been doing for so long.
The us didn't institute this system, but it is reacting to it.
I do know the only great depressions in the US were caused by Wall Street, not by trade wars or tariff issuance as so many of the big dollar fund managers howl about an oncoming depression. Methinks not.

My reasoning on not paying an exporter up front to cover undetermined costs for a part (and maybe getting a small percentage back?) while they have taken advantage of (I would too) said imbalance make me wince. I worked hard for my earnings.
Bottom line is sooner of later what goes around comes around.
Tell it to the Penguins!
 
Time to pick a nit....

From today's AN email clarification:

"In this Statement, we incorrectly used "North America" to describe the area that this would apply to, not realising this is used to include Canada as well."

Mexico?
I know, I know, many people forget North America includes Mexico. I have trouble figuring out who is included in UK, Great Britain, England etc. and I as birthed there ;-)
I think there is 1 Norton owner in Mexico.
Hopefully he won't get hit with the new Tariffs.

It was a really bad plan to mess with the Penguins.
Post tariff world
 
Tell it to the Penguins!
The OP stated without "getting into politics", but I figured that wouldn't last long.
A closer look would reveal another observation involving analysis and foresight.
If viewed as "dumping", well, it's a bit more involved.

The US is parting with the asymmetrical tariff system of the last 50+ years pursuing a greater parody of trade globally.
China, Mexico, Viet Nam, Europe, Canada, India and many others all impose prohibitive tariffs. Now the world is pissed at the US while the tariffs imposed by these countries have resulted in bolstered, even thriving economies for so many of them.
If tariffs are so devastating to an economy as some in here imply why have these other nations thrived while imposing them? An now those that impose the tariffs are angry said tariffs are no longer asymmetrical. You mean equal application? Really?
Huh, why would that be?

Why do those who inaugurated the tariff get angry at the US for mirroring accordingly? Now the US is taking a beating globally because they seek a level playing field? In some countries a tariff as high as 250% is imposed on some imports from the US.
Those who originally implemented these tariffs are as culpable if not more so than than any matching tariffs the US designates.

If Russia invades Ukraine do we blame Ukraine for trying to reciprocate with the same methods?
Of course not.
This so called new tariff system is simply a reaction to what the importers of US products have been doing for so long.
The us didn't institute this system, but it is reacting to it.
I do know the only great depressions in the US were caused by Wall Street, not by trade wars or tariff issuance as so many of the big dollar fund managers howl about an oncoming depression. Methinks not.

My reasoning on not paying an exporter up front to cover undetermined costs for a part (and maybe getting a small percentage back?) while they have taken advantage of (I would too) said imbalance make me wince. I worked hard for my earnings.
Bottom line is sooner of later what goes around comes around.
What Canadian Tariffs are you referring to?
I've been importing motorcycles, parts, farm machinery, and household items from the US to Canada for 45 years now. I have paid noTariff on any item after Free Trade came into being in the late 80s. Over the years this amounts to thousands of importations of hundreds of different items.
There are barriers in place now, but those are retaliatory from March 4 this year.

Glen
 
The US is parting with the asymmetrical tariff system of the last 50+ years pursuing a greater parody of trade globally.

Sometimes the comedy just writes itself... Perhaps you meant to use "Parity"?
Voice recognition tech. is not always accurate, at least on my computer.
You understood the meaning yet chose the petty retort.
Hope this helps alleviate any other important comments you might have.
 
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