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Please take your petty politics somewhere else.
Buy parts in Great Britain after Brexit
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None yet, but watch this space, can't be to far away.
Some are still not getting it, this not a EU or UK thing, NZ have run this system for ages.
As above, even Alibaba run this system, if a Chinese sales site can get their crap in one sock, why can't the rest of the planet.
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Yes, because the UK, not the EU, decided that to sell to the UK from anywhere worldwide the vendor has to register for UK VAT and collect the VAT on behalf of the UK and pay it to the UK.
Guess what, you have to pay to register too, an annual fee, would you do that?
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We have to separate correlation from causality. Just like we have to separate process and incompetence from policy.
Countries all around the world have traded with each other efficiently since trade was first established.There is NO reason for the U.K. and EU to be unable to trade efficiently. Proof of this, of course, are the MANY countries that trade with the U.K. and EU from around the world. There is no reason at all why U.K. / EU trade should be any worse than this.
You have to be either a very illogical thinker, or staunch remainer, to seriously believe that the current issues are really Brexit issues.
The current issues are due to crazy processes invented by incompetent bureaucrats, in the best case.
In the worst case, they were created by very competent bureaucrats, who knew exactly what they were doing. Meaning deliberate sabotage for political purposes.
Lets assume the best, and that it is ‘only’ due to incompetence. I think it is very obvious that the biggest trading block in the region and the 5th biggest economy in the world will, sooner or later, put their combined abilities to doing a PROPER job of this.
The financial and political cost, on both sides, is too great not to.
The real tragedy here, the one that will be studied in politics and history classes in the future, is how the combined might and intellect of the best statesmen and women from the U.K. and the EU could POSSIBLY spend 4.5 years in talks and result in a fiasco like this !
If these people were employed in the private sector they’d have all been fired 4 years ago...
Countries all around the world have traded with each other efficiently since trade was first established.There is NO reason for the U.K. and EU to be unable to trade efficiently. Proof of this, of course, are the MANY countries that trade with the U.K. and EU from around the world. There is no reason at all why U.K. / EU trade should be any worse than this.
You have to be either a very illogical thinker, or staunch remainer, to seriously believe that the current issues are really Brexit issues.
The current issues are due to crazy processes invented by incompetent bureaucrats, in the best case.
In the worst case, they were created by very competent bureaucrats, who knew exactly what they were doing. Meaning deliberate sabotage for political purposes.
Lets assume the best, and that it is ‘only’ due to incompetence. I think it is very obvious that the biggest trading block in the region and the 5th biggest economy in the world will, sooner or later, put their combined abilities to doing a PROPER job of this.
The financial and political cost, on both sides, is too great not to.
The real tragedy here, the one that will be studied in politics and history classes in the future, is how the combined might and intellect of the best statesmen and women from the U.K. and the EU could POSSIBLY spend 4.5 years in talks and result in a fiasco like this !
If these people were employed in the private sector they’d have all been fired 4 years ago...
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I completely agree with you.
That's exactly what I think too.
I just wanted to object that under the 135 pound threshold, trade is duty free and couriers cannot ask for shipping fees or taxes.
Simple, right?.
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Questions from someone who simply doesn't know the answers. I'm in the US, if I sell to someone in the UK or EU does the customer pay VAT and/or Duty to their country or the EU? If so, is it on the stated value in the customs forms I fill out in the US? Does it matter where the item(s) were produced?
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The old way for private or commercial US was the UK or EU customer paid the Duty, VAT and customs clearance fees on imports from outside EU based on the value on the customs form and the cost of parcel. The VAT went to the countries and then the country paid its member fees to the EU but this was not based on VAT revenues. 50% of the time customs ignored small parcels and no VAT was collected but if it did then the Post Office took £8.50 to process the import, couriers too more but also nothing as a fee.
The new way for a private US person is the same as the old, valuation is based on the Value on the customs form. No doubt VAT will still be missed on 50% of these. Post Office and courier charges will be same.
The New way for US websites is that they have to register with the UK HRMC and collect the VAT and send it to the UK. Europe will be doing the same in July. VAT will be based on the website values.
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Wow! Even the US is not that presumptuous! So what happens if a private individual wants to send to someone. For instance, I have a cousin who lives on Scotland. If I want to send her a gift I have to fill out customs forms at the US post office but the US certainly doesn't collect VAT or duties for other countries. Along that line, if I wanted to send you a Tri-Spark ignition as a private individual how would that be handled?
EDIT: I see that you actually answered the personal part already.
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That is not my experience, no. I bought from a UK supplier website I have used many times ordered and delivered within January, delivery time not much more than previous deliveries from the same company using Royal Mail, they switched because of the customs issue. The price on the website was reduced compared to that offered to UK purchasers, to reflect not paying UK VAT. The total price including shipping was under £60.
The package was delivered by UPS who have been managing Customs processes. (They were doing this for Amazon, but this week called a temporary halt due to volume)
So, before I can take delivery UPS wanted the French VAT/Import charges, in this case not too much, but they also demand a fee (9€ from memory) to execute the process Total cost to me to receive the parcel, 31€, and they didn't take cards at the doorstep, only cash or cheque! (our nearest cashpoint is 7 km away)
On balance, considering that what I bought were sale items I felt the overall cost to me was OK. If there was any issue it was communication with UPS to effect the delivery, but there is little change there, we live in the sticks.
I also bought a pair of race boots through Amazon.fr, the supplier is UK based, Amazon undertakes to manage the customs, but see above, so the price you pay Amazon up front is the total price! Not sure exactly what will happen when customs realise that these products are 100% made in Pakistan, rules of origin may apply.
Watching the tracking revealed on the boots a lot of time in customs both in the UK and in France, at one time the customs process was aborted, then restarted.
(little wonder surely, that although the boots, same size as my last pair of the same brand, are a little tight for my ageing feet, I am reluctant to return for a larger size. I may be walking around the house in them a lot until race season, though I have my doubts that will start as scheduled!)
Is this going to get better....no....the UK is not only a 3rd country....is now 3rd world. I wouldn't hold out too much hope of it being the world's 5th largest economy for much longer, in fact I understood it was already below France and in 6th, and heading for 7th!
I will still try to avoid petty politics, but as you can see, it is difficult when it affects you financially every day, as it has since June 2016.
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Failing to adhere to your own advice (also given out to Bernhard earlier) a tad there Steve!
I disagree on it not getting better. It has to. The current situation is harming people and businesses and governments on both sides.
Also, I'd suggest you check out the meaning of third world!
As to what will happen to various economies, well now we are all effected by covid, that's a real open topic. Only one certainty, China will benefit enormously, as has already started...
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Out of interest, how much is customs duty on mechanical parts imported to Italy from the UK? It can't be much, if any. Most engineered products are duty free due to WTO trade agreements.
Conversely, Italy being a big exporter of mechanical products wouldn't be interested seeing their products subjected to a high duty in foreign markets.
Courier charges for custom services is a pain for the time being though. I think this will improve when VOEC (Vat On E-Commerce) comes into effect. VOEC allows the UK seller to collect VAT on behalf of the receiving country. The customer pays all (parts, shipping, VAT) in one go. No more clearance charges, provided the paperwork is correct.
-Knut
you described my own situation.
couriers ask a 15% for services they do not perform (as they are not provided) and do not even report such costs.
All without the sellers asking them for a reason.
So the rhetoric that there is someone working to make me play with my bikes is sickening.
Joe Seifert will need to make a british version of his web shop, in order to serve EU customers not familiar with german!
-Knut
Hi Knut.
Sorry but this is not the problem i have posed.
I will repeat for the last time.
I am usually to pay all the tax and VAT and so and so that the low say to pay.
And I'm not complaining because the laws must be respected.
I'm just repeating that there is a £ 135 duty free threshold where I don't have to pay customs in addition to the national VAT.
And is clear that above 135 you pay everything and also the courier service.
Instead the couriers, without the sellers objecting to anything, charge a 15% for services that are not provided and for costs that do not even report.
And it seems to me that someone else here has confirmed what I have said.
So what is the seller's main goal?
Customer or courier satisfaction?
Or is it a crime to spend less than 135 pounds?.
Piero
For me is enough that courrier respect the low.
If i spend in the treshold there is no custom, above i will pay all.
No custom means no service that means no cost.
Be clear, for my last order less than 135 gp, courrier asket me 17 euro, maybe a not significant amount, but i cannot bear that the courier does not deliver the package to me without paying and without receiving any receipt for his services.
Do you like it ?.
Not me!
I doubt shipping costs are the same after Brexit. There is usually a significant difference between inter-EU (ground) and "overseas" shipping. Of course, this is a fixed amount, not a percentage added to the purchase.
I can't understand the couriere policy you cite, Piero. Maybe you should consider using a different courier?
-Knut
Is not my courrier.
The seller chosed.
Now we all we friends have asked to ship parcels in treshold with Royal Mail and not with courrier and they can do this for parcels under 2kg of weight.
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I am not complaining for shipping costs but for courrier services not due and reported
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