Motorcycle Ban on public roads?

[EstuaryBoy]

The US opposition to Concorde was, in the UK, perceived to be sour grapes if not self interested. There were of course, many detractors here who shouted white elephant etc . Dare I suggest ,that in some cases ,the same people who now knock the BBC . Concorde was very much a public sector encouraged project and that perception dealt it a blow in British opinion.

But all that apart it was a truly remarkable design and thing of beauty . It is said good design never dates and Concorde always looked as though it had just flown off the drawing board.

Perceived sour grapes as the Boeing SST ended up a dead duck, too...

 

[Stephen_Spencer]

The ‘big bird’ on the left we recognise! But which exact model are the Rozzers riding?
First to guess correctly wins................................, absolutely bugger all!

 

[EstuaryBoy]

Saint??? (TR6P)

 

[Stephen_Spencer]

I believe you are correct sir! You win bugger all - spend it wisely

Triumph Trophy TR6P Saint. The codename apparently stood for Stop Anything In No Time (SAINT).

 

[BritTwit]

Perceived sour grapes as the Boeing SST ended up a dead duck, too...

The sonic boom doomed the Boeing SST here in the US.
As well as the costs of:
The Vietnam war
The Space Program

Boeing was actually putting all its apples into the 747 basket.
Which paid off in the long term.

 

[EstuaryBoy]

I believe you are correct sir! You win bugger all - spend it wisely

Triumph Trophy TR6P Saint. The codename apparently stood for Stop Anything In No Time (SAINT).

I'll put it in the bank and stick it to the Chancellor when he okays negative interest rates here
Many retired and 'civilianised' TR6Ps offered a cheap way into big bike ownership back in the day (the mileages were pretty scarey, though servicing was top notch) and I spent many miles on the pillion of one such machine that coincidentally eventually ended up under the backside of our esteemed founder here... (Small world!)

 

[EstuaryBoy]

The sonic boom doomed the Boeing SST here in the US.
As well as the costs of:
The Vietnam war
The Space Program

Boeing was actually putting all its apples into the 747 basket.
Which paid off in the long term.

In 1956 the Fairey aircraft company wanted to do a series of experimental supersonic test flights with their record breaking Delta 2 jet. France okayed the use of French airspace on the proviso of insurance cover for any civil claims for damage by sonic booms. British insurers wanted £1000 per flight, which would have nixed the project, but French insurers covered them for a total premium of £40! In all 47 supersonic flghts were made over France, with not one claim for damages....

 

[trident sam]

The US opposition to Concorde was, in the UK, perceived to be sour grapes if not self interested. There were of course, many detractors here who shouted white elephant etc . Dare I suggest ,that in some cases ,the same people who now knock the BBC . Concorde was very much a public sector encouraged project and that perception dealt it a blow in British opinion.

But all that apart it was a truly remarkable design and thing of beauty . It is said good design never dates and Concorde always looked as though it had just flown off the drawing board.

I don't see any similarity between detractors of the BBC and Concorde whatsoever, most BBC detractors are just fed up with the bias of most of their reporting, the crap programmes and ludicrous salaries, or do you think Zoe Ball is worth 1.3 million for the drivel she emits on BBC radio 2. I despise most of the BBC offerings but loved Concorde.

 

[SteveBorland]

I've seen the Concorde fly over many times as I grew up a few miles from JFK. The people in Howard Beach and Broad Channel Queens hated it, but I thought it was cool as ice.

The ban on bikes is a bitch. A bayside community not far from me is issuing a $700 fine for loud pipes. Not sure the Gen. II SBN opens would qualify, but my nasty little turnout open on my T140D might. Effem.

I live in the center of Copenhagen, and we have a small but highly noticeable population of (mostly) HD riders who love using their open pipes to create a really objectionable noise when riding through the city. It gets to the point where I would clap my hands in joy if the police were to book them - it's creating a really bad feeling against all bikes here. My Commando (and the Contis on the Ducati) can also make loud music, but I choose not to to irritate loads of people in a city, but rather head off to some twisty bits out in the countryside. Probably annoy some people there anyway, but at least I'm not behaving like an arsehole, drag racing very slowly through the city center. /Rant off .

There, feel better already....

 

[Fast Eddie]

I don't see any similarity between detractors of the BBC and Concorde whatsoever, most BBC detractors are just fed up with the bias of most of their reporting, the crap programmes and ludicrous salaries, or do you think Zoe Ball is worth 1.3 million for the drivel she emits on BBC radio 2. I despise most of the BBC offerings but loved Concorde.

I could not agree more Sam.

Without wishing to de rail this thread too much, I’ll say this, I’ve gone from staunch support of the BBC, to a supporter who tolerates the negatives, to someone who absolutely despises the whole institution, all with a few years. It’s rotten to the core and is really a product of a bygone age. IF it has any place in future life, it can only be as a bastion of TRUE neutral coverage. But it’s so far away from that today I cannot imagine how it can get to that position.

And I love Concorde ! I think it’s a travesty it was allowed to die like it did.

 

[SteveBorland]

Interesting - since I live outside the UK, I tend to use the BBC news app rather a lot. I (obviously) don't have close intimate contact with the domestic stuff, but their international coverage still seems good.
I also use the Independent and the Guardian sites for special interest, but they seem more biased then the BBC ?

Many years ago I used to subscribe to the Telegraph, mostly because they had good technical and military coverage, but the DT has goon _way_ off course over the last 20 years or so.

 

[Onder]

BBC is just a political operation at this point. Sad because we NEED a neutral reporting out fit. There aren't ANY!
One point about the Concorde or rather two points would be that when it was retired it had a lot of airframe time and that is not something that is cheap or easy to fix especially as that is a pretty bleeding edge aircraft. The second thing is that engine design has made huge progress in efficiency and noise reduction. I grew up on the flight path of an USAF base and jets were a LOT louder than the fans they use now for transport work. Sure, fighters on climb out are still rather noticeable!

 

[Fast Eddie]

One point about the Concorde or rather two points would be that when it was retired it had a lot of airframe time and that is not something that is cheap or easy to fix especially as that is a pretty bleeding edge aircraft. The second thing is that engine design has made huge progress in efficiency and noise reduction. I grew up on the flight path of an USAF base and jets were a LOT louder than the fans they use now for transport work. Sure, fighters on climb out are still rather noticeable!

They‘re all good points I agree, and do support the point to retire the old generation Concorde. But its still a crying shame it wasn’t replaced using some of that modern tech you refer to!

Look at EVERY other machine that’s 50 years old and compare it to new stuff. A new gen Concorde would be an awesome thing !

 

[kommando]

I was on the taxiway at Heathrow just as darkness had fallen, my plane was 8th or 9th in the queue to take off. I was nonchalantly minding my own business at the window seat, playing the seasoned traveller and ignoring the 747's and 737's taking off. Then there was a louder noise, I looked out and saw Concord just starting its take off, the plane I was in started vibrating and out of Concord came huge flames that seem to light up the sky as it picked up pace down the runway, I was able to follow it until it was up in the air with the flames still streaming from the rear. Will never forget that experience.

 

[Champy72]

The US opposition to Concorde was, in the UK, perceived to be sour grapes if not self interested. There were of course, many detractors here who shouted white elephant etc . Dare I suggest ,that in some cases ,the same people who now knock the BBC . Concorde was very much a public sector encouraged project and that perception dealt it a blow in British opinion.

But all that apart it was a truly remarkable design and thing of beauty . It is said good design never dates and Concorde always looked as though it had just flown off the drawing board.

I remember standing in Heathrow car park as Concorde took off. Had to cover ears as it was sooo loud, and just about every car alarm went off! Really funny, but what a graceful, powerful machine..

 

[Champy72]

Oxfordshire?? We know who to blame then, don't we

Wouldn't be that guy on TV who peed his pants in ecstacy listening to the roar of an Aston Martin that he could hear 2.5 MILES away could it???

 

[trident sam]

Wouldn't be that guy on TV who peed his pants in ecstacy listening to the roar of an Aston Martin that he could hear 2.5 MILES away could it???

No it's the bugger with the big Harley.

 

[Onder]

A while back on this thread comment was made about economic viability of the Concorde. I believe there are new airplanes now in design for a return to high speed aviation. But the issue is going to be paying the freight. So much of the aviation industry is supported by governments one way or another and right now governments, due to the virus, have taken on hellacious debt loads. Or rather WE have taken them on.
Perhaps the way around this is the Elon Musk / Space X method which is for a new approach to design and build. Sure he gets government money but he has also made significant reduction in cost for space launch. He just landed his 61st booster when
only ten years ago this was considered impossible.
A new airplane must look beyond the Concorde. Concorde was designed long ago.

 

[Fast Eddie]

I used to race Dresda’s and spent much of my time at Degens previous establishment on the Old Bath Road near LHR prepping the bikes etc.

When Concorde took off (Degens always called it ‘Charlie’) all conversation had to stop, it was so loud. No one complained though.

I binned a bike at Cadwell in around ‘96 and due to having a broken wrist and 2 sprained ankles, I took some time off work on the sick...

Naturally, I thought it best to convalesce at Degens place, and fix the bike. I had some delicate explaining to do when, as a lad from Mansfield, and whilst phoning in to report my health progress to my rather keen manager, Charlie took off in the background !

Still, I bluffed my way out of that somehow, got the bike finished and got the pot taken off the day before the next race.

Good times !

 

[trident sam]

I used to love it coming to Speke airport in Liverpool the odd time it did, seeing it banked over just a few hundred feet up was something to behold, it truly was beautiful.