One piece rear wheel spindle

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Has anyone in this forum made a one-piece rear wheel spindle for a drum brake Commando? Is it worth doing as a safety precaution and, if so, what modifications need to be carried out to the hub and brake drum?

Maybe it was Norbsa who wrote about this in an old thread, which I can't find. I would be interested in the experiences of anyone who has done this, and the upsides and downsides.
 
Greg — thanks for that. I have tried a search in the Yahoo Group, without success, but I'll keep trying. What is your opinion? I have heard of the two piece assembly failing, but maybe it's very rare. Would it be better to simply replace the standard spindle and dummy spindle with new standard parts? By the way, why would the speedo drive be a problem with a one piece axle?
 
Hello daveh,

I have just done this on my project Commando.
I had an engineer mate turn up a one piece spindle & a new dummy axle
minus the threaded part but bored through to accept the spindle from left
hand side.Also had to have an extended anchor arm to fit through mounting on this swingarm.
I have got the wheel in at the moment so cant show detail see below,plus
a picture of how the bike is shaping up.


One piece rear wheel spindle


One piece rear wheel spindle


One piece rear wheel spindle


Hursty.
 
Hursty — thanks for the posting what you did with the spindle. I wonder if one could also sleeve down the ID of the bearing in the brake drum so that one could fit one long spindle through the swinging arm from left to right, and do away with the dummy spindle altogether? I haven't taken mine apart either so I can't yet see what is possible or not. I will do this next time I take off the wheel.

Thanks also for sharing the photos of your project bike. The alloy swing arm looks good. I see you have cut away the Z plate. Some questions: Is it a one-off swing arm to your design? How is the swing arm spindle held tight in the cradle and does it bear on needle rollers or bushes? Is this an original 750 S Type?

Keep us posted with progress!

Dave
 
Her's a copy of that old info:
From: Michael Taglieri <miket--nyc@j...>
Date: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:46 pm
Subject: Machining Speedo Drive for Commando Solid-Rear-Axle Conversion




Awhile back I mentioned that the bearings in the rear axle of the Norton
Commando have an internal diameter of 17mm, and the various spacers are
there to "convert" them down to the 9/16" rear axle, which is not only
two piece, but rather puny for the job. Therefore (inspired by Frank
Forster, who did the same thing on a MKIII), I explained how to drill out
the spacers on a lathe, file the slots in the swingarm, and use the 17mm
rear axle from a Honda 350 to turn the Commando into a bike with a
larger, one-piece rear axle that's virtually bombproof. Ben English made
the idea even more attractive by pointing out that you're not limited to
the Honda 350, because just about every Japanese and European bikes from
that era used 17mm rear axles.

I said that the machining involved was child's play for anyone with a
lathe (and perhaps even a drill press if you were careful) -- just drill
out the dummy axle and all the spacers to 17mm. Now I have to take that
back, because there's one part of the job that takes a fair amount of
lathe skill, the speedo drive. The speedo drive on a rear-drum-brake
Commando is centralized on the axle by the little top-hat-shaped insert
that the parts book calls "NM.13270 spacer - Speedomer Gearbox" (that's
how it's spelled). This insert is 9/16" on the inside and 17mm on the
outside, so it slips nicely into the 17mm spacer on the wheel NM.18234
(the only one NOT converted down to 9/16") when you put the speedo drive
on.

To use a stock speedo drive with the 17mm axle conversion, you have to
make a new insert that's 17mm on the INSIDE rather than the OUTSIDE.
Then you bore spacer NM 18234 to fit the larger insert with about .010"
clearance, like the original insert in the original spacer. I made the
new insert .725" OD.

Finally, you remove the felt seal from the speedo drive, tape it on the
inside with masking tape to protect the mechanism from swarf, then set it
up on the faceplate and bore it to take the larger insert. The result of
all this is a speedo drive that accepts the larger axle and centralizes
on the wheel the same way as before.

Sorry if this is incomprehensible, but it was aimed at home-shop
machinists, to whom I hope it's clear enough. (BTW, fooling around with
a lathe is a great hobby for someone with an old bike. I did all this
work on my Chinese 7x10" lathe that costs about $300).

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@j...
 
Neat job on the swing arm Hursty, you should post more pictures on the modifications you have done. Is the swing arm a solid piece of aluminum? I like how you did the adjuster, real high tech and modern.

Jean
 
Greg — thanks very much for going to the trouble of retrieving that piece by Mike Taglieri. I now understand why the speedo drive makes the operation not as straightforward as it first appeared, since he took the opportunity to use a larger diameter spindle.
 
daveh & Jeandr,

Regarding the spindle mod, this seemed to be the easiest & most straight forward way to do it.
The swingarm I bought s/hand & it took quite a bit of tidying up.
It is an old RGM one (not made anymore) & uses stock spindle & bushes.
It is box section alloy off a race Commando, I still have some work to do on the brake arm & rod conversion.
The bike is a collection of parts I have been building for years since I had a bad crash on the original Fastback.
 
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