Transform Roadholder Commando to external spring

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I am a young motorcycle pilot on traks and with Old England bike !!! I'am learning with reading and asking questions !!!

Don't be sorry for me, it's very interesting to have many differents informations.

I am satisfied and i am sorry to write whith my little english :shock: :lol:
 
gillou said:
I am a young motorcycle pilot on traks and with Old England bike !!! I'am learning with reading and asking questions !!!

Don't be sorry for me, it's very interesting to have many differents informations.

I am satisfied and i am sorry to write whith my little english :shock: :lol:


I am personaly not sorry for you! only your asperations..ask the questions the forum will do its best to respond :!:
 
john robert bould said:
Our Ludwig ,states spring spacers only change the static hight, the spring rate stays the same,as the spring as a fixed rate this makes sence? if your spacer is 5mm eg the fork will compress 5mm less with the same "weight " appled
Only a change to wire gauge or dia or spring coils rate will alter the fork action. Spacers will only raise the ride hight..sorry!

John, you are right, Ludwig was right, but I didn't see anyone saying that the preload changed the spring rate......

You want to change the preload to get the correct static sag (ride height) for your particular weight.

Changing the spring is the only thing that changes the spring rate...

Gillou recognised this by suggesting he wanted to add a spring to get the rate he wanted. My only contribution is to suggest that he will find getting the rate right easier by changing the internal spring than by adding an external one. It is also a more flexible solution, the springs can be changed again if the rate doesn't suite your style.

Improving the damping is something he needs to do anyway, but even teh best damping will not help unless the spring rate is about right.

So Gillou, to repeat, follow the advice you already have on a spring rate of 8.5Kg and then set the sag with spacers, the cost is the smaller one, ugrade the damping as you can afford it.

Spring rate, then damping......the damper setting will be affected by spring rate anyway.
 
Slightly off track here but what sort of damper is the Lansdowne one? I think I read somewhere that it was some sort of tapered needle and orifice setup, is this correct or is it a proper piston/shim design?
 
In reply to others who have commented on my previous thread you are right, adding /subtracting spaces will not alter the spring rate one iota, a, say, 30lb spring rate will still be the same spring rate at the end of the day.
I was not trying to create any confusion, I was merely quoting the easiest way to adjust the sag & pre load of the present spring fitted, with the telescopic forks that I am familiar with.

Using different spaces can improve the suspension over the bumps- not all race tracks are billiard smooth surfaces – as I found out. Even putting a heavier oil viscosity in the forks can prevent the forks from absorbing the bumps – in some respects it is trial and error.
There was an article on the internet somewhere on improving the damping of the Roadholders without spending any money it just involved drilling /blocking off the damper tube.

norton-roadholder-modifications-t3645.html

also, Everything you wanted to know and more about Norton Roadholder Forks;

http://www.members.shaw.ca/randell/roadholders.html

http://www.nocnsw.org.au/technical/norton-roadholders
 
Yep thats right..simple and good enough to win top flight race's ,taper needles are totaly reliable ..what do you think is in a modern carb?..having replaced Maxton units with there bent bits of tin to produce race winning bikes...Robert Mceever is trying some soon...so lets see. Peter Crew as just won two major races with the "some sort of needle dampers" and Duncan Fitchett second to Mike Edwards says it all. :lol: My policy is i dont make comments on something i know sod all about. only fools rush in!


Cheesy said:
Slightly off track here but what sort of damper is the Lansdowne one? I think I read somewhere that it was some sort of tapered needle and orifice setup, is this correct or is it a proper piston/shim design?
 
john robert bould said:
Yep thats right..simple and good enough to win top flight race's ,taper needles are totaly reliable ..what do you think is in a modern carb?..having replaced Maxton units with there bent bits of tin to produce race winning bikes...Robert Mceever is trying some soon...so lets see. Peter Crew as just won two major races with the "some sort of needle dampers" and Duncan Fitchett second to Mike Edwards says it all. :lol: My policy is i dont make comments on something i know sod all about. only fools rush in!


Cheesy said:
Slightly off track here but what sort of damper is the Lansdowne one? I think I read somewhere that it was some sort of tapered needle and orifice setup, is this correct or is it a proper piston/shim design?

On the compression side does the needle position relative to the orifice change throughout the stroke, ie altering the orifice size?
Is there an additional valve for the high speed flow control as well?
 
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