Top 11 Laws that should be changed for motorcyclists

You may not agree with all the points listed below, personally, I would cross out no. 6;


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'6. Experience-graded full motorcycle licences with equivalently graded motorway and dual carriageway speed limits: replace the standard driving licence with three experience-based grades of full bike licence: novice (green), intermediate (blue) and expert (red). '

Sorry Bernhard, I strongly agree with this. I don't ride a motorcycle on public roads nor am I ever likely to again. I gave it up at age 29 when I began having too many 'closies''. If we had graded licences for all road users including car drivers, we could require any young idiot caught doing obscene speeds or other dangerous antics, to undertake an advanced driving course, and return to the court with an higher licence before returning to the road. There is only one advanced driving course in the state of Victoria, it is run by John Bowe, a top level racing car driver. A while back a woman rang Winton Raceway to find a training course for her son - she actually wanted to have him taught how to drive properly. Our current licencing regime is bullshit. Training for motorcyclists is done under and agreement between the Transport Accident Commission and Honda Australia , which is OK if you live near one of the training centres. What you learn is nowhere near what you need to stay alive on our roads. I raced for many years, and also rode on the highway. If I lived in Melbourne, there is no way I'd ever use a bike for commuting. Our police have a motto 'speed kills' - it helps keep the state budget healthy with fines from speed cameras. It should be 'speed plus incompetence kills'.
My feeling is that if there were three levels of bike licence, there should be no speed limits for the top level. There is only one thing though - in Australia we have very big grasshoppers.
I live 200Km from Melbourne up the Hume Highway, the speed limit is 110 KPH. Except at dusk when the roos are about, even a half-baked motorcyclist could get up there at 150KPH. I have a Mazda6 with a six speed manual box and cruise control. The latter is essential, as is a good MP3 player without any soothing music.

I hate to say it but I disagree with most of the points, but then I'm an old phart.
Here in South Australia they pretended to introduce a rider training scheme in the early '80's. When in the UK I had been an instructor with the RAC/ACU scheme and also run a small "one on one" scheme that was an offshoot of the RAC/ACU one. So obviously I got in touch with the people who said they were organising the SA one, offering to help in any way I could, paid or unpaid. Imagine my surprise when the organisers knocked back my request, saying that they wanted to do it "their way, without any legacy issues". So I apologised for wasting their valuable time and hung up. Ever since then I have viewed any Gubberment pronouncements on rider/driver training, road safety etc as doublespeak.
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Apologies for my mistake, I did mean rule 5 ;

5. Repeal the helmet law (full licence holders only): remove the requirement for full motorcycle licence holders to wear a helmet

Here In the UK we don’t have very big grasshoppers, unless on has escaped from a zoo, but we do have all manner of four legged wildlife from rabbits/hares, to cattle like sheep, cows and horses wandering around some permanently around the clock in certain parts of the country, like the New Forest, you can speed in the wrong place at the wrong time, so if speed is in your blood, do yourself and the rest of us a favour, get it out of your system on the race track, like I did.

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Skill tested by licensing and full armor only goes so far to protect riders and any logic applied about that making your riding a safe activity is verifiable insanity in state of addiction denial. Alan has the best survival advice, only ride in one way roads with experienced alert traffic around but giving up so soon means he's also missed out on what an isolastic Commando is like in public to make ya forget about the violence lurking while minding ya own business well. Nature and laws of nature and man are stacked against us.

I don't believe I am a good rider, however I do know how to survive. There is nothing more frustrating than to have a really nice hotted up British bike and be unable to let it do it's thing because there are morons saying 'speed kills'. Speed does not kill by itself, it takes a combination with incompetence to do the trick. I've been driving around the Black Spur east of Melbourne and seen the kids really going for it, sometimes over the double lines to get around corners. It might be dangerous however it does my heart good to see it. The kiddies must have their play-time and you are a long time dead. I don't like riding bikes on public roads, it does my head in. On a race track there are very few restrictions - that is my experience of heaven. You can ride bike to the max, peak it out in every gear, brake right up to every corner. And if you find somebody else like yourself while you are out there, you can try to carve them up. FUN is what motorcycling should be about. After you get beyond your crash and burn stage, you should go nowhere near crashing on a race circuit unless you stick your neck out - it all comes down to competence - practice makes perfect, so go fast slowly.

The wife of the man who owned the shop whose show room my eventual Ms Peel was test cycle sold out of told me a young customer in the 70's was being chased by police on THE Gravel and crashed into their yard and she came out with a shot gun to shoo the police away and rescue the kid would done nothing but guilty of a bit fast on hwy going home. They still have small engine shop she handles. Sons drag race and garden tractor pull currently. Anywhol when a group of non Brit Iron cyclers get together illegal things may happen. Wait till they arrest a few gang member in some common brand of car more than once.

If the roads were owned by "big business," can you imagine the outrage, the howling, the law suits, that we would see about the accident rates, the fatality rates, "all caused by the toll road profiteers?"

The fact that government owns the roads is why we have to have this discussion about "what laws we ought to have" regarding the roads.

The hazards, the deaths, the incompetent drivers, the rattle trap cars/trucks leaking stuff onto the roads - all often the result of the lowest common denominator populist methods of government.

I say privatize the roads and let the owners set the rules, qualify the drivers, qualify the vehicles, and suffer the consequences, the law suits, the liability when their product enables/causes losses.

John in the USA Inc. public roads are VERY RARELY owned by the Gov't but are actually owned by private land owners with treaty-trust like agreements of right that allows Federal and State and local Municipalities to police within their legislated authority but is so over stepped outisde their jurisdiction by routine fraud to point everyone is confused on what the laws/statues/codes/regulations/rules actually state. You might get as depressed and shocked as me to dig into this conversion of live people with rights to live and travel freely into legal persons like a corporation that need Gov't permission and licenses to exist and function. In the US Inc. set up after Lincoln's War, people were converted into legal fiction "persons" under color of law as immigrant foreigner status and made official enemies of US and Federal Reserve under forced on by War Powers current "Public Policy" instead of "Public Law". As the Middle Temple BAR card cult is world wide there is similars set ups allowing extreme enforcement in Canada and Australia as in US Inc. Federal US Govt conquered all the union states, then forced on 14th "Red" Amendment on union State in 1868 then appointed not elected US Congress spun off a private corporation called Washington DC INC. in 1871 which did not adopt the 14th amendment so does not have to abide by what they impose on all other 14 th amendment US persons-citizens like COKE COLA INC to JOHN DOE INC. DRIVER/OPERATOR. This does very mean things to standing and status in court protections the fool system fails to inform ya about. What this means in everyday affairs is they can charge ya under some Statue but then will not allow you to use Statue to defend and try to confuse people with persons and using terms that mean one thing outside of court process but totally different inside Courts.

In our papers today there is a news article about the police in Melbourne collecting $40M from jay - walkers. It is extremely rare that any mention is ever made about pedestrians being run over. Lets be honest, our Hume Highway is restricted to 110 KPH. The other day a bike gang member did a run for it and got up to about 250 KPH, the police lost him and were incensed. About three weeks later they sprung him in a drug bust in the next town to ours. The speed limit for motorcycles on the highway is revenue collecting bullshit. I would say one thing though - there was a kid in Euroa who was continually fanging his bike. An old bikie mate of mine warned him about the kangaroos. He hit one and broke both of his legs - doesn't ride bike these days. If you live up country you learn to watch the sides of the roads near dusk - the big grasshoppers are suicidal.

I call the deer here over grown woods mice. I've had them leap over my fender going 5 mph to turn into my cattle grate driveway, leap over fences and trip into pile I braked into instead of springing away before I got there and when going below 30 mph had them leap at me from behind! The ones ya see are never an issue its the ones that leap right into you w/o seeing them so no defense but stay home. Just another hazard on crazy two wheel craft. Kind of glad to know another copper got out run though. I've given thought to this so will collect various colors of tape.

With the kangaroos, at dusk they are often at the side of the road and will jump in front of you. Some hop along quickly parallel to the road then do quick turn into the path of your vehicle. We always keep a close watch on the sides of the road at dusk and dawn, and usually see them before they can act. The ones that are really dangerous are those which race across the paddocks on an angle to the road, and get in front of you. They are extremely fast, and you need to look across the paddocks while you are driving, even in the middle of the day. The other situation which sometime occurs is where there is a high bank, they can jump off the top of it onto the road On some highways they stand at the side of the road, and their colour often camouflages them. They always seem to jump just as you get to them. My wife hit a big red up on a main highway in Brisbane. The only ones I've hit have been already dead, lying on the road in the dark. They don't do the underside of the car any good.

If somebody owned the deer, then they likely would be fenced in and wouldn't be jumping in front of vehicles, AND you could sue their owner for the damage their jumping into traffic does.

Similar to the American Bison, the "buffalo." If someone had owned them, they wouldn't have been driven to near extinction by hide hunters shooting them for free - the price of a bullet.

THE US STATE OF XX thinks they own them to require license to harvest them so their policy has greatly increased the population but dis-claim responsibility for the damage they cause. Deer and 'roo's behave the same way and dust and dawn are only their favorite times to move though they like to move when ever its cool the last deer that hit my foot going 75 lost half its skull breaking my foot before shooting under bike to launch bike a few feet up. I'd slowed down from 85 to glance at rear patch to make sure the slight wiggle I felt was wind not low air before getting some mileage off the race tire edges, so my head was in mid swing back to road on impact so next vision was tree tops dropping to pure sky blue! Deer and likely 'roo's fur does not really reflect light well. The ones that will get ya are like the cops ya don't see in time and not smart enough to control their damage. A fairly recent US case decided in favor of police department limiting the IQ of officers they hire. The real hillbilly's come out at night on THE Gravel on ATV blasters and so loud the deer spook away ahead of time, Peel is meant to tease with them and collect video of paint ball blunderbusses knocking down deer as not smart enough to handle THE Gravel so spin out falling on their asses, run into each other and even trees and fences. Mindless danger as govt's.

Well, . . . . yeah, governments tend to act as if they own everything, including us, the people.

And, all of the "public lands" and wildlife (to include the deer and roos) that they purport to protect are mismanaged and harmed by their self defined "stewardship." Monopoly is always bad, unless you are the monopolist. The BLM, the EPA, the FCC, the FDA, the list goes on and on and on - all forms of monopoly.

Example, if police are so great, then why do other parts of government find it better to get their own police? John Q public is stuck with the local police and he can't hire his own police but the school district, unhappy with the local police, it gets to create and hire its own special "school police?"

What percentage of all crime does the police actually solve? Low single digits.

In Victoria we have trucking magnate. He has a beachfront house on Port Phillip Bay. Recently he fenced off part of the beach and claimed it. There was legal action which returned it to the public. We should not have to do that to keep our assets, however we must remain vigilant. The greedy bastards always keep trying. Personally I strongly dislike the mentality involved. This 'born to rule' 'cult of the individual' bullshit sometimes goes too far.

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In Victoria we have trucking magnate. He has a beachfront house on Port Phillip Bay. Recently he fenced off part of the beach and claimed it. There was legal action which returned it to the public. We should not have to do that to keep our assets, however we must remain vigilant. The greedy bastards always keep trying. Personally I strongly dislike the mentality involved. This 'born to rule' 'cult of the individual' bullshit sometimes goes too far.

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You could say that about practically all the medieval grabbing landowners here in the UK, how do you think the Royal Family got to own the Crown estates that they get their rents from :?:

If you trace it back far enough, ALL land title is subject to dispute because at some point someone took it at the point of a gun.

Hear in the U.S., the feds claim to own most of the West but they got it by way of the Louisiana Purchase or by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican-American War. Well, in both instances no one asked the Native American Indian Tribes about it. They just took it, by force of arms and apparent non-occupancy, or by common law right of prior appropriation, or non-governmental homesteading. Heck, even the Indians' claims of ownership might have been challenged by other Indians. And, if you ask the animal rights activists, I'm sure they have an opinion too.

The same applies all over the world. Britain included.

Blacksider is depressingly correct and we are out gunned and conquered along with original peoples. Here a killer diller read and will be significant name sake on Ms Peel tank, American taking old world horse power and running wild with it ..................................

S.C. Gwynne's "Empire of the Summer Moon" spans two astonishing stories. The first traces the rise and fall of the Comanches, the most powerful Indian tribe in American history. The second entails one of the most remarkable narratives ever to come out of the Old West: the epic saga of the pioneer woman Cynthia Ann Parker and her mixed-blood son Quanah, who became the last and greatest chief of the Comanches.

Although readers may be more familiar with the tribal names Apache and Sioux, it was in fact the legendary fighting ability of the Comanches that determined just how and when the American West opened up. Comanche boys became adept bareback riders by age six; full Comanche braves were considered the best horsemen who ever rode. They were so masterful at war and so skillful with their arrows and lances that they stopped the northern drive of colonial Spain from Mexico and halted the French expansion westward from Louisiana. White settlers arriving in Texas from the eastern United States were surprised to find the frontier being rolled backward by Comanches incensed by the invasion of their tribal lands. So effective were the Comanches that they forced the creation of the Texas Rangers and account for the advent of the new weapon specifically designed to fight them: the six-gun.

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Bernhard said:

acotrel said:

In Victoria we have trucking magnate. He has a beachfront house on Port Phillip Bay. Recently he fenced off part of the beach and claimed it. There was legal action which returned it to the public. We should not have to do that to keep our assets, however we must remain vigilant. The greedy bastards always keep trying. Personally I strongly dislike the mentality involved. This 'born to rule' 'cult of the individual' bullshit sometimes goes too far.

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You could say that about practically all the medieval grabbing landowners here in the UK, how do you think the Royal Family got to own the Crown estates that they get their rents from :?:

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That sort of thing is a reason many Australians really dislike the royals and their toadies. I don't think there is a private beach anywhere in Australia. When the royals and friends got their estates, the laws were considerably different. It is one of the reasons that the deaf and dumb signals for the word 'Australians', is picking some things up with your fingers, and putting them over there.