Got it off, It was glued on,And all i wanted to do was polish the case, its turning into a marathon, Gearbox cases etc are off and i plan to rebuild the gearbox while its apart, Will look at the oil pump while its apart, hopefully the other seals etc will be ok when i put it back together , Being in Oz i have a couple of weeks lag time by the time i realise i need a part until i receive it so often when i pull things apart i have to consider to wait or go with what i have