Thermo imaging anyone

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Not a clue steve but soulds exciting and sounds like hunter technology. My fishing buddy just got back from the cottage Parry Sound told me he saw a wolf this weekend.
 
Perhaps you can get the folks who do the building energy efficiency audits to have a go at it.
They are in cohoots with the power company in this area. Maybe your power co can point you in the right direction.
Maybe you can rent an ir style of video camera.
 
What type of ducting are you to do? If it's just looking at temperatures, a hand-held laser thermometer may do.
 
Hey thanks guys the power company idea is worth checking into and the V-twin view was informative on both how it might look and where the heat may linger most. The cocky canted Commando engine is a high light to everyone so wouldn't want to cover it up too much for normal usage but abnormal things are me hobby with Peel. I've 'studied' the air craft history of increasing fin area machining them to paper thinness and number, then sheet metal ducting to force air to flow around jugs more evenly then water spraying the fins and external coolers. I don't think i'd need to completely wrap engine in sheet metal but by smaller well placed flaps like playing card size to grab extra air and direct it for best effect.

The other night when heating Trixie exhaust ring area to beat them off before lifting jugs for resealing success, I saw the propane flame split up and shoot out here and there, to take care not to fry the plug boots for one thing. This got me to thinking about how to help air flow. I've seen the whole air flow on Wes's naked '71 one foggy night lit by full moon and my own head light as he took off over 60 mph. I was surprised by how much air the engine split then slapped back together where the carb throats/filter was. There is a Norton ad that shows the head fin internal and external air paths, quite clever to see.

So I'm thinking how to assist the big IS tank air funneling function and some scoop flaps on upper down tubes to grab more air the forks and stem block and maybe a vertical plate in middle of rear engine to keep the pressure lower there where its slaps together. I really did live on Peel through winter as long as not much ice risk in the shady turn sections but was warm toasty with a big windscreen, as long as I kept moving - I got strange looks by all the cagers in heated seats. So I've got a big vintage fairing with lowers to fit and suspect I can foam/contour fill the back side of the lowers to help duct more air to cool and maybe even warm me some too. Then with water on tap -spray it on front of head to flow through center of head where its likely the hottest to relieve, when trying to sustain the boost-fuel heat for a track day or bee line speed event.
In real life in Ozarks there's no way to sustain hi throttle very long and expect to return. [but faster than them sloppy moderns will risk] Nor is there a need if just sitting still or creeping on low throttle as I've seen hi way temps just fade to below normal in seconds of reduced throttle. The tricky thing about water spray is it does little good after the burn, so should be sprayed before the need - to create the heat sink effect or sprayed continuously which I won't have enough water to do for long, say a few minutes, unless set up for a special event/attempt. I was relieved to see that water spray or rain did not heat shock-distort similar construction engines. One thing I've learned is not to expect oil to do much cooling over all just carry local bearing space heat away to rest of the engine to dump. Oil coolers only cool oil to matter not the motor,ugh.
 
our fire departments around here have thermal viewers to look for hot spots in walls/wall fires.
 
I have one at work that we use for finding leaks etc but they wont allow it to leave the jobsite ($8k piece of kit). I could get my engine imaged and uploaded sometime if thats any help?
 
Yes speirmoor don't need the actual temps so much as the actual over all heat pattern concentrations. Don't know it just sitting still now in a breeze and burning significant fuel would tell the whole tale but its a start. I think the new digi camera have IR so may be able to video at night with the camera on a stalk.
Wonder how much those cheap kind might see heat wise.
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On a side note besides seeing Wes's '71 moon lit air flows/turbulence, on the way back from Texas a hay truck had left dozens of miles of hay straws on the road so I got to see the ground level eddies spilling off at 70-80 mph. Tire blast disturbed it immediately but the bike plumes don't slap together till about a bike length back then continues expanding for like 5-6 bike lengths. I may deploy a small drag chute or long feathery or furry tail on Peel to see what that feels like.
 
We have a non-contact IR thermometer here at work Steve, kinda handy for reading temps of chips on circuit boards. I borrowed it one weekend and thought to try it on the Norton to balance the carbys. The idea being that the header temperatures should equalise when the carbs were balanced. The idea seemed promising, but I was still fooling around with crappy points then - would be worth repeating the experiment now I've got a Boyer. Dunno if this is of any use to you, but these devices are a heck of a lot cheaper than an imaging system.
 
Well yeayes Dave that's in my plans to aim a remote read thermometer at various spots on the fly and see what the actual temps are. But thats not quite the same as seeing the the whole package heat flow glowing. Fancy thermo imaging can correlate/calibrate colors to actual temp I believe. That V twin gave me a sense of the more glowing areas so likely just one hot spot monitored by laser probe would guide effects of extra cooled gizmos. After the engine dealt with the plan is semi-permanent mount to monitor rear tire, witch might also be interesting to see in real time thermo imaging too.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71G93Q4kSEc[/video]
 
That's terrific stuff - I heard (some time ago now) they adjust the camber of the wheel to equalise the temperature profile across the tyre - you can see where one side of that tyre is overheating. Do they run a solid axle in NASCAR? Might only be possible to adjust at the front in that case.
We're looking at real-time non-contact tyre temperature and temperature trend measurement here at work and feeding that info back to the driver/rider - tyre is too cold for optimum grip or at the other extreme - may be deflating. Will be an interesting project.
 
That thermo tire movie gives impressive energy awareness. In the dirt/clay track oval they often run a bigger outer rear tire compared to the others. Of course they are only turning one predicable way. Don't know how useful that hi end image sensing would be but sure is interesting and fascinating to see. I've got the vibe out on it so will see what shows up.
 
Electrical engineers check switchboards with them, know any of those? And someone with a dyno to run at road speeds at the same time. Graeme
 
I've dyno desires a Big D Texas so would be extra cool to have a thermo image at heat flows increase and settle down. I love the side trips Commandos take me to and love to see where it goes from there. Likely will take a few different imaging to get satisfied.
 
Borrowing the work camera tonight.Its great in realtime as the data keeps changing but It only records still pictures :(
 
Front view of head is what I most want to see with a small fan blowing on engine.
 
Heres all I got.Pretty frustrating holding the imager and filming with the Iphone at the same. Couldnt really get right in front of the head as the wheel in the way.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg_FsoZLzME[/video]
 
Ohwow you did it! Very Cool to see the heat glow I've been longing for. I see the hotter spots seem to be above and to the sides of the exhaust ports. I'd of guessed more heat in the deep V insides but that's the difference of going by blind feeling around to just able to look and see. Makes sense 20/20 hindsight d/t the exhaust being spread out and air tunnel with lots of fins in the center. Means to me I'll need two water nozzles aimed more at top of exhaust 'rose's than through the center. Also shows where a bit of air directly baffles would help most. Thanks a bunch for playing with me, I'm a happy camper knowing where to hold the marshmallows now.

Thermo imaging anyone
 
What we need you to do , Is fix the imager under the lower triple clamp , aiming aft .
And get on the motorway , after 10 minutes at 100 + , get the pillion to climb forward
and lay over the tank and instruments and aim the camera back at the imager , Please .
 
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