Thaiumpth are doing rather well

Well they went off shore to put the Triumphs together and closer for exports, cheaper labour cost, no union troubles, no wonder they are making good, make more models to cater for everyone's needs, they are keeping up with the times.
Just take a look at the new Norton's over priced well here in Aus anyway so when I brought my new Thurxton the new Norton was double the price I paid for the Thruxton with more HP (grunt) and it has proven itself to be very reliable in the 6 years I have owned it.

Ashley
 
grandpaul said:
I'm not going to subscribe just to read an article.

In muy opinion Bloor is the best thing that happened to Triumph since the doors closed at Meriden.
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No don't subscribe!
I used to think that about Bloor restarting triumph
He got a great design team together and produced great bikes , they still do
I remember the government (taxpayer )grants because it was a new British company employing British workers
And the "fire" the county council blocking the expansion but the government over ruling it
Then they moved production to Thailand
 
ashman said:
Well they went off shore to put the Triumphs together and closer for exports, cheaper labour cost, no union troubles, no wonder they are making good, make more models to cater for everyone's needs, they are keeping up with the times.
Just take a look at the new Norton's over priced well here in Aus anyway so when I brought my new Thurxton the new Norton was double the price I paid for the Thruxton with more HP (grunt) and it has proven itself to be very reliable in the 6 years I have owned it.

Ashley
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I'd never question a thaiumpths reliability, performance, value for money etc
Only it's integrity
 
baz said:
No don't subscribe!
I used to think that about Bloor restarting triumph
He got a great design team together and produced great bikes , they still do
I remember the government (taxpayer )grants because it was a new British company employing British workers
And the "fire" the county council blocking the expansion but the government over ruling it
Then they moved production to Thailand
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Yeah, of course; "in a perfect world", we'd be eating Pop Tarts with Kim Novak...

I wonder, had Bloor not met resistance by the County Council, might we be talking about a "pure" Triumph and a bunch of local jobs right now?

Just goes to show how BAD the "NIMBY" principal can backfire on you...

 
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grandpaul said:
Yeah, of course; "in a perfect world", we'd be eating Pop Tarts with Kim Novak...

I wonder, had Bloor not met resistance by the County Council, might we be talking about a "pure" Triumph and a bunch of local jobs right now?

Just goes to show how BAD the "NIMBY" principal can backfire on you...
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And triumphs would be British made 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
baz said:
I'd never question a thaiumpths reliability, performance, value for money etc
Only it's integrity
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In life almost everything is about mindset and attitude. ISO9000 Quality Management Systems began with BS 4891 - a BRITISH standard. After WW2, the British had choices. Deming carried the quality ethos to Japan, and the rest is history. In Australia we did not even bother to try to upgrade - we just quit. We removed tariffs and subsidies and now import most manufactured goods. We sell food and minerals and houses.
When we cry about integrity - who let whom down ?
Most people study to become something, however being a generalist might be better. When we do market research, we often temper our creativity by assessing what has been selling well, instead of improving and developing.
 
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Even if they were made in Britian most parts are still sauced world wide so really they be assembled in England same as they are in Thailand, not every part is made in their factory.
 
ashman said:
Even if they were made in Britian most parts are still sauced world wide so really they be assembled in England same as they are in Thailand, not every part is made in their factory.
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Well they used to source parts from throughout the world and assemble them here
Now it's Thailand and India next stop china
 
I do subscribe to the Telegraph.

The article reads that Triumph's pre-tax profits rose to £72.4m, and that they sold over 88000 bikes last year.

Mr Bloor paid himself £13m out of his business empire... but also mentions that Bloor Homes is his main business. And that the value of his business empire, houses / Triumph / and other businesses rose from £1.8bn to £2.1bn.

Seems he is a successful businessman and he is supplying what the market wants to buy; houses and motorcycles. And no doubt handing a huge amount of money to HMRC as well.
 
daveforty said:
I do subscribe to the Telegraph.

The article reads that Triumph's pre-tax profits rose to £72.4m, and that they sold over 88000 bikes last year.

Mr Bloor paid himself £13m out of his business empire... but also mentions that Bloor Homes is his main business. And that the value of his business empire, houses / Triumph / and other businesses rose from £1.8bn to £2.1bn.

Seems he is a successful businessman and he is supplying what the market wants to buy; houses and motorcycles. And no doubt handing a huge amount of money to HMRC as well.
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I agree you do need a proper hard nosed business man to run a company like that
And he no doubt has handed a huge chunk to the HMRC although it appears to be optional whether you choose to pay corporate tax
 
They are a successful International company with headquarters in the UK.
As a Canadian in search of motorcycles that look like motorcycles but go like Rocketships and seem to run forever like Mazdas, I have no problem with that at all.
If I was insistent on a more British attempt, I could have purchased a Norton 961 in 2016. They are a good looking machine as well, but no Rocketship and definitely no Mazda....

Glen

550 of their personnel are in the UK.

"Triumph currently employs around 2000 personnel worldwide and has subsidiary operations in the UK, America, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan, Sweden, Benelux, Brazil, India and Thailand as well as a network of independent distributors. Triumph has manufacturing facilities in Hinckley, Leicestershire, and Thailand plus CKD facilities in Brazil and India."
 
worntorn said:
They are a successful International company with headquarters in the UK.
As a Canadian in search of motorcycles that look like motorcycles but go like Rocketships and seem to run forever like Mazdas, I have no problem with that at all.
If I was insistent on a more British attempt, I could have purchased a Norton 961 in 2016. They are a good looking machine as well, but no Rocketship and definitely no Mazda....

Glen

550 of their personnel are in the UK.

"Triumph currently employs around 2000 personnel worldwide and has subsidiary operations in the UK, America, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan, Sweden, Benelux, Brazil, India and Thailand as well as a network of independent distributors. Triumph has manufacturing facilities in Hinckley, Leicestershire, and Thailand plus CKD facilities in Brazil and India."
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I agree with all of the above
The bikes are incredibly good etc
But as an Englishman I just wish they were made in England
 
I believe some still are. Nigel posted a link to a news article awhile ago. That article claimed that Triumph was hiring in the UK to step up production at Hinckley.
I cannot recall which models are being assembled there.
I have one from Hinckley (Daytona 955) and one from Thailand. Both have been excellent bikes so far.

Glen
 
I suggest many people are limited by their own mindsets. My grand-daughter loves motor cycles, so I decided to make one for her. I have bought a Chinese 125cc copy of a Honda CT110 motor, I have made a frame jig. I want to build a 125cc version of an Aermacchi Ala D Ora. The Chinese motor cost $400.
There is a Chinese motorcycle which has a race tank and seat which do not cost much. And the rest of the bits are easily obtained from Alibaba.

 
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worntorn said:
Here it is.
They were at 4500 limited edition type bikes per year, now planning to go up to 20,000 UK built bikes per year.
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Triumph to make many more bikes in the UK – British Motorcyclists Federation

www.britishmotorcyclists.co.uk www.britishmotorcyclists.co.uk
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I am seriously in doubt about how true that has turned out to be.

I recently questioned a number of dealers about what bikes are made in the U.K., and I made it clear I’d be interested in buying what was, they basically couldn’t answer, the best answer I got was ‘it changes’. So I asked how they can tell where a bike was made, they said that they cannot. What I did ascertain is that all of the classic range are made in Thailand.

I believe Triumphs headline was successful in creating the image that ‘some‘ bikes are made in the U.K., therefore mine might be! Which is better for marketing than simply saying NO bikes are made in the U.K.

I believe all TFCs were made at Hinckley, I also believe all Rocket 3s used to be, but I’m not sure about the current situation.

In summary, my suggestion would be: buy a Triumph because you like it… not because you think you‘re buying British.
 
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Good engineering cannot compensate for bad metallurgy. Australian steel is garbage. Other countries probably have mini-mills from America, but how many mechanical tests are made on their products ? With Japanese two-strokes, many parts are only lightly stressed, so steel quality might not be so critical. When we build office buildings, the safety factor for the steel is 2 - we think of a number and double it. In aircraft, materials are stressed almost to the level at which plastic deformation begins to occur - 95 % of the 0.1 % proof stress. What are the quality requirements for the steel which is used within motorcycle engines ?
Triumph is British - their control over suppliers might be better.
Spitfires during WW2 did not chuck conrods.
The main thing with steel is the sulphur and phosphorus contents need to be very low. 'Dirty' steel usually contains inclusions which cause failures.
 
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