Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

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I started using teflon lined fork bushings in Norton forks back in the 1980s (Suzuki part #51121-49510) as described in the JS race manual. They were slippery but the Teflon coating is soft, they would wear down to the underlying bronze and then you were back to metal to metal friction. When I saw the metal start to show through the soft teflon I knew it was time to replace them. Its relatively old technology that has been accepted by the industry. But I wasn't happy because the teflon just didn't last long enough. There are newer better super slippery materials that hold up so much longer that its hardly worth checking for wear.

The problem is that some of the new/improved materials need special machining considerations and design to make them work. You have to pay attention to the thermal properties in particular and that requires out of the box thinking. So most brands prefer go on using the readily available but less reliable teflon bushings rather than take on the development of a new material.

For an example of one of the improved materials, see:
https://polyfluoroltd.com/blog/the-wonder-that-is-lubring-turcite/
 
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Jim,
I have used this material on several worn out machine tools with good results. I have however, not tried it in bar form for turning bushings. I will try a set of your fork bushes this winter for my Atlas project.

Martyn.
 
Hmm, I wonder if this could be injection moulded to create fork bushes? With the advent of FIM (Flexible Injection Moulding), the cost of doing things like this plummets It's a good solution for cases where you need high precision, specific materials and low volume - - for example, we are looking at doing custom earmoulds as injection moulded items, where each mould is unique and used once only.

Since Turcite is soft, the bore may not need any finishing, which would be rather good :)

Here's a link to what we are doing - https://www.freeforminjectionmolding.com/
 
Here is the combo that went on my project bike:

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

I coupled a set of Jim's slippery Turcite fork bushings to some Ariete seals

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

This was added to a set of John Bould's Manx Lansdowne dampers and some of Andy Molnar's external progressive springs.

I feel that Turcite was a great choice of material.

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

The result was a very smooth action that feels superior to a lot of modern bikes.
 
On the seal side I am pondering on using the latest SKF green seals with low stiction, problem is the 35mm ones all have an OD smaller than the Norton housing even if only 0.6mm.
 
Turcite is merely another way to package Teflon in a stronger material matrix for support, since Teflon itself is has very little strength. It is a good material and not at all difficult to machine or design with. I have designed many parts using Turcite as a material and when used properly it is great. It is quite an easy material to process, there are several sections in the link that you provided where they say that Turcite is easily machined. However, it is not suitable for all applications, and that no modern fork manufacturer uses a plain plastic bushing made from that or any other 'modern' material is telling that they are not an optimum solution.

The creation of Turcite from Teflon happens by adding stronger, less slippery materials to Teflon to increase its strength, but this also increases the coefficient of friction when compared to plain Teflon. A DU bushing was designed specifically to present a pure Teflon surface, without those higher friction additives, for minimum sliding friction. Spec sheets for both materials show a DU bushing to have lower coefficient of friction(.02-.12 vs .1-.12), higher load capacity (36ksi vs 12ksi), and higher allowable maximum speed (1000fpm @ 143ksi-fpm vs 100fpm @ 16ksi-fpm) than Turcite material. That is not a surprise and is a result of the DU bushing being a highly engineered assembly designed for a specific purpose: sliding bushings. That mid-80s Suzuki part you used was likely from the first generation of plastics processing technology. I’m sure Teflon bushing production techniques have been improving since the 1980s, which is ancient history as far as plastics processing goes. Turcite is a great general purpose plastic but it has been optimized mostly for use as machine tool way liners, large flat surfaces with extreme loads, not exactly the same type of situation of a motorcycle fork slider bushing.

There are other issues besides coefficient of friction that go into bushing design. Heat conduction is a major, and usually underappreciated, aspect of bushing performance. Plastics (including Teflon and Turcite) have relatively large coefficients of thermal expansion and are poor conductors of heat. With a bushing that is made from solid plastic, these two properties together result in increased bushing temperature and resultant thermal growth which limits overall load capacity and requires larger running clearances for smooth operation. The large thermal expansion of plastic itself requires more initial clearance, the differences in thermal expansion of the bushing compared to the fork tube/slider being similar to running an aluminum piston in a cast iron bore. A DU bearing is designed with bronze and steel lower layers, both of which have small coefficients of thermal expansion and large heat transfer coefficients. This means that the heat from operation is quickly transmitted through the thin outer Teflon sliding surface, through the metal backing, and into the rest of the assembly where it dissipates, thereby keeping the bushing cool and close to its original dimensions, allowing close running tolerances.

One other issue that is not material dependent is the original design of the Norton fork bushings. The extended length of the top bushing is a flaw in the design. Due to the poor metallurgy they had in those days the long bronze bush was required to have enough bushing area under load to prevent compressive failure. However, the longer the bushing length, the more problems that occur when the fork tube bends under load. When under load, the front forks bend slightly. Because of the differences in diameter and wall thickness, the aluminum slider does not bend much when compared to the steel fork tube. As a result, a bent fork tube is trying to slide through a straight bushing/housing. It is easy to visualize that this leads to increased friction/locking up or the requirement to have large running clearances to avoid the friction, both of which are opposite to the needs of a good handling bike. In another post, the image of your top slider bushing with wear marks only near the top is indicative of this, the bent fork tube was only contacting the bushing at extreme points, making the rest of the bushing length unloaded, and thus unneeded.

One benefit to my upper bushing carrier design is that the upper bushing is moved further up the fork tube when compared to the OEM bushing position. This gives slightly increased bushing spacing, which results in lower bushing loads and allows for tighter clearances and better fork performance when nearly topped out.

Another benefit of my kit is that it allows the use of a modern low friction seal with no modifications needed.

>>So most brands go on using the older teflon design bushings that are readily available rather than try something potentially better and deal with the development headaches. It requires out of the box thinking but some new materials do in fact work better than teflon coated/impregnated metal when designed correctly.

It is a little comical that you are saying that every fork manufacturer in the world (including Ohlins, who makes all those MotoGP forks) knowingly chooses an inferior solution to avoid a developmental headache. Have you approached any fork manufacturer with your technology? If it truly is better it would be easily proved.

>> When I saw the metal start to show through the soft teflon I knew it was time to replace them.

Yes, it is a nice built-in visual wear indicator, isn’t it. For other bushings styles you have no idea if the busing is worn out or not. A bushing is by definition a wear item, as are most moving parts of a motorcycle, so it is nice to know when it needs to be replaced.



Chris Cosentino
Cosentino Engineering
 
DU bushes are not coated with pure PTFE, the DU bush was developed by Glacier Bearings and they trademarked DU for their PTFE/lead powder bush. In the 80's and 90's there was a drive to eliminate lead from vehicles so the mixture was changed to the food grade DU 10 with another filler to replace the lead powder, which had been developed previously for use in food manufacture machinery, for most applications.

The leaded version is still available

https://www.ggbearings.com/en/products/metal-polymer/du


but is now a very small % of production.

There are loads of copies around but the only maker of DU is Glacier Bushes who own the Trademark, what the filler is will determine how good it is, lead powder is the best.
 
Hmm, I wonder if this could be injection moulded to create fork bushes? With the advent of FIM (Flexible Injection Moulding), the cost of doing things like this plummets ... Here's a link to what we are doing - https://www.freeforminjectionmolding.com/

If its affordable and it works - then hit me up - I'm interested. There is a trick involved in the machining/design and it gets expensive.

If the Turcite could be produced in the correct shape at a lower cost, it would be a done deal.
 
I'm using Jim's turcite bushings with Lansdowne's as well. I've also got a set of turcite swingarm bushes which have held up well
 
Fork seals:

Honda seal #91255-KBH-003 is supposed to work but the fit may be off (supposed to have low friction).

The Ariete 003T fork seals mentioned by Gtiller above are supposed to be good but someone else said they are too tight on the OD. Its a dual lip and I don't know about the friction.

Kommando is looking at SKF green seals with low stiction.

Looks like none of the newer seals are a perfect fit but if a seal can be sleeved on the OD and it does in fact have lower friction then its worth pursuing. I'm still using stock seals along with rubber gaiters to keep them clean so they last.
 
As recommended by Ludwig, and fitted by me..

Ariete Fork Oil Seals part number ARI003T (fit BMW K 1200S)

They need a tiny skim from the outer diameter of the vinyl coating, which could probably be done without a lathe if you are careful.


Cheers,

cliffa.
 
'DU' is indeed a trademark by GGB, however many manufacturers produce the same bearing design and call it a teflon bearing, teflon bushing, PTFE lined sliding bearing, SF-1 bearing, etc. The manufacturer I contracted to make these bushings for the Roadholder dimensions recommended the PTFE/Pb mixture for best performance. It seems to be offered by all the manufacturers I contacted.


Chris Cosentino
Cosentino Engineering
 
My ARI seals fitted without removing any material - they were just polished.

They were very, very tight, but using the correct seal driver tool and the lube provided, they pressed in to the sliders.

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

I really like the design of these - great quality, and feel like they are going to last well.

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)

Be warned though, Ariete report that these are frequently copied with inferior quality materials, and sold cheap.
 
My ARI seals fitted without removing any material - they were just polished.

They were very, very tight, but using the correct seal driver tool and the lube provided, they pressed in to the sliders.

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I really like the design of these - great quality, and feel like they are going to last well.

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Be warned though, Ariete report that these are frequently copied with inferior quality materials, and sold cheap.

Yes, I bought a set on FleaBay from a German supplier, who claimed that they were original. They sent me a copy set, which I was unhappy about, and ignored my complaint. As did FleaBay, even though they were running a campaign at that time about fake goods. Seems that fake seals are not as important as fake fashion items.

Perhaps if I had written about fake baby seals it would have made a difference?

Anyhow, I sourced a genuine set which are sitting in my box waiting to be fitted.
 
I installed a set of the Cosentino bushing set along with his fork internals and could not be more satisfied with the end result.
The motorcycle is ridden on mostly rural roads and the ride quality puts a big smile on my face.
 
The photo below shows my monoshock racer in the late 1980s with the first synthetic bushings ever used in Norton forks. I used the Teflon lined type that you find everywhere nowdays. They were slippery and worked great when new but they wore down past the Teflon to the underlying metal and had to be replaced. Choices were limited at that time so the only option was replacing the teflon lined bushings. This continues today and the industry is happy to sell you teflon bushings that wear out so you can buy more replacements.

Turcite arrived later on and it was the answer to the wear problem. I have never had to replace my Turcite bushings and neither have any of my customers. After about 8 years/30,000miles of service I removed these early prototype bushings for inspection. If you look closely at the bottom photo you can still see the original horizontal machining marks that haven't worn away (this early set was hand made on a manual lathe). Neither is there any visible wear on the fork leg because there is no metal to metal contact (which can happen when you wear through Teflon lined bushings).

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)


Synthetic fork bushings (2019)


Machining techniques have improved with a CNC lathe resulting in smoother finishes since I developed the bushing in the photo but the design and dimensions are retained. Its not as easy as you may think and I know of someone else who tried to make Turcite fork bushings but they missed an important detail. They couldn't get them to work so they gave up on them. But I didn't give up. I kept at it until I found the necessary solutions and in the end - it was worth it.
 
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Now that looks a proper Norton racebike!

Here's mine. I don't even like telescopic forks, but if you are going to use them they should work the best they can!

Synthetic fork bushings (2019)


I have no doubt that the turcite works better than OEM. There is no mystery to making bushings from plastic work, the slot is a requirement, largely because of the material's large thermal growth coefficient and poor conductivity. Almost all of IGUS's bushings are slotted. It is a proven technique, loosens machining tolerances is and nothing mysterious or secretive. The DU style bearings are also slotted but that is more a remnant of the manufacturing technique (formed from strip) than anything else.

I'd say that the bushing in the picture is only worn at the top area because that is the thickest section so it experiences the most thermal growth so is the area mostly rubbing on the fork leg. If you can still see partial machining grooves after years of use it means that section is not being loaded. You could probably remove the bottom 3/4" of material and not notice a difference. But why can we even see machining marks? Better surface finish=lower friction.

I prefer to start with an even slipperier material (Teflon) as my approach to design is to achieve the best absolute performance. If you do a lot of street riding and every few years have to replace the bushings, it is not a big deal. Only the bush needs replacing at much lower cost, the carriers are reusable. And wear life is much better than it was in the 80s. If you are a racer you should be going over your bike far more often and the improved performance of the slipperier material is an advantage any racer would want.


Chris Cosentino
Cosentino Engineering
 
Turcite is merely another way to package Teflon in a stronger material matrix for support, since Teflon itself is has very little strength. It is a good material and not at all difficult to machine or design with. I have designed many parts using Turcite as a material and when used properly it is great. It is quite an easy material to process, there are several sections in the link that you provided where they say that Turcite is easily machined. However, it is not suitable for all applications, and that no modern fork manufacturer uses a plain plastic bushing made from that or any other 'modern' material is telling that they are not an optimum solution.

The creation of Turcite from Teflon happens by adding stronger, less slippery materials to Teflon to increase its strength, but this also increases the coefficient of friction when compared to plain Teflon. A DU bushing was designed specifically to present a pure Teflon surface, without those higher friction additives, for minimum sliding friction. Spec sheets for both materials show a DU bushing to have lower coefficient of friction(.02-.12 vs .1-.12), higher load capacity (36ksi vs 12ksi), and higher allowable maximum speed (1000fpm @ 143ksi-fpm vs 100fpm @ 16ksi-fpm) than Turcite material. That is not a surprise and is a result of the DU bushing being a highly engineered assembly designed for a specific purpose: sliding bushings. That mid-80s Suzuki part you used was likely from the first generation of plastics processing technology. I’m sure Teflon bushing production techniques have been improving since the 1980s, which is ancient history as far as plastics processing goes. Turcite is a great general purpose plastic but it has been optimized mostly for use as machine tool way liners, large flat surfaces with extreme loads, not exactly the same type of situation of a motorcycle fork slider bushing.

There are other issues besides coefficient of friction that go into bushing design. Heat conduction is a major, and usually underappreciated, aspect of bushing performance. Plastics (including Teflon and Turcite) have relatively large coefficients of thermal expansion and are poor conductors of heat. With a bushing that is made from solid plastic, these two properties together result in increased bushing temperature and resultant thermal growth which limits overall load capacity and requires larger running clearances for smooth operation. The large thermal expansion of plastic itself requires more initial clearance, the differences in thermal expansion of the bushing compared to the fork tube/slider being similar to running an aluminum piston in a cast iron bore. A DU bearing is designed with bronze and steel lower layers, both of which have small coefficients of thermal expansion and large heat transfer coefficients. This means that the heat from operation is quickly transmitted through the thin outer Teflon sliding surface, through the metal backing, and into the rest of the assembly where it dissipates, thereby keeping the bushing cool and close to its original dimensions, allowing close running tolerances.

One other issue that is not material dependent is the original design of the Norton fork bushings. The extended length of the top bushing is a flaw in the design. Due to the poor metallurgy they had in those days the long bronze bush was required to have enough bushing area under load to prevent compressive failure. However, the longer the bushing length, the more problems that occur when the fork tube bends under load. When under load, the front forks bend slightly. Because of the differences in diameter and wall thickness, the aluminum slider does not bend much when compared to the steel fork tube. As a result, a bent fork tube is trying to slide through a straight bushing/housing. It is easy to visualize that this leads to increased friction/locking up or the requirement to have large running clearances to avoid the friction, both of which are opposite to the needs of a good handling bike. In another post, the image of your top slider bushing with wear marks only near the top is indicative of this, the bent fork tube was only contacting the bushing at extreme points, making the rest of the bushing length unloaded, and thus unneeded.

One benefit to my upper bushing carrier design is that the upper bushing is moved further up the fork tube when compared to the OEM bushing position. This gives slightly increased bushing spacing, which results in lower bushing loads and allows for tighter clearances and better fork performance when nearly topped out.

Another benefit of my kit is that it allows the use of a modern low friction seal with no modifications needed.

>>So most brands go on using the older teflon design bushings that are readily available rather than try something potentially better and deal with the development headaches. It requires out of the box thinking but some new materials do in fact work better than teflon coated/impregnated metal when designed correctly.

It is a little comical that you are saying that every fork manufacturer in the world (including Ohlins, who makes all those MotoGP forks) knowingly chooses an inferior solution to avoid a developmental headache. Have you approached any fork manufacturer with your technology? If it truly is better it would be easily proved.

>> When I saw the metal start to show through the soft teflon I knew it was time to replace them.

Yes, it is a nice built-in visual wear indicator, isn’t it. For other bushings styles you have no idea if the busing is worn out or not. A bushing is by definition a wear item, as are most moving parts of a motorcycle, so it is nice to know when it needs to be replaced.



Chris Cosentino
Cosentino Engineering
Hi Chris I have just fitted your bushing kit that I purchased from NYC NORTON
Can you recommend a suitable fork oil viscosity that would complement your kit further please.?
 
Hi Chris I have just fitted your bushing kit that I purchased from NYC NORTON
Can you recommend a suitable fork oil viscosity that would complement your kit further please.?
Probably better to P.M. him as he hasn't been on here since 2019.
 
I'm using 10 w with Lansdowne internals.
No leaks and smooth as butter.
Did a 2000 km test run to this year's nocnz rally in the south island.
Couldn't be happier !
 
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