Rod ratios

A bit further to the above, there should be an "ideal" amount of Desaxe so that the rods are more vertical on the power/thrust stroke.
For a forward rotating crankshaft this would mean the crankshaft C/L should be forward of the barrel centreline. It would mean more rod angle on the exhaust stroke, but unlikely to be as important.

Rob. the crankshaft C/L needs to be positioned _behind_ the barrel centerline for the Desaxe concept to yield a positive effect.


Having waded through threads here and at other sites, it seems the 750/850 engines have a negative Desaxe of 0.0425" or about 1mm. I think it was unintentional and the figure is too small to have a negative overall effect.
To make a difference, the Desaxe should have been a positive 15-18 mm. Did Kenny Dreer turn the idea into reality when he designed the 961?

In 1957/58, AMC designed the lightweight G2/G5 engines with a positive Desaxe of 6.35 mm vs. stroke of 64.84 mm (9.8%). Thanks in part to the cylinder offset, these engines (the G2 in particular) are very efficient engines,
and it's a pity that tooling costs prevented this concept to be applied across the model lineup.

- Knut
 
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Rob. the crankshaft C/L needs to be positioned _behind_ the barrel centerline for the Desaxe concept to yield a positive effect.


Having waded through threads here and at other sites, it seems the 750/850 engines have a negative Desaxe of 0.0425" or about 1mm. I think it was unintentional and the figure is too small to have a negative overall effect.
To make a difference, the Desaxe should have been a positive 15-18 mm. Did Kenny Dreer turn the idea into reality when he designed the 961?

In 1957/58, AMC designed the lightweight G2/G5 engines with a positive Desaxe of 6.35 mm vs. stroke of 64.84 mm (9.8%). Thanks in part to the cylinder offset, these engines (the G2 in particular) are very efficient engines,
and it's a pity that tooling costs prevented this concept to be applied across the model lineup.

- Knut
Thanks for that Knut - very good explanation!
Cheers
Rob
 
Moving the barrels forward on the cases means everything happens later - it retards the cam timing. So the whole thing becomes a new deal. Rod angularity also affects friction and wear rates. But a motor which is all top end can be horrible. Many things are about balance and compromise. The rider adjusts to the bike, and the bike is adjusted to suit the circuit. - The feedback loop is important. - Many people seem to believe that being negative and lacking in ambition is normal. However it is part of our 'cultural cringe' - the victim's mindset. A great motorcycle road-racer once told me 'on your day when you are good, nobody can beat you'.
 
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