Rocker arms - sorry guys something to worry about

BritTwit said:
So it is, my bad.
If the mill had righteous cooling fins it probably wouldn't look too bad set in the 961 frame and bodywork.
But would still prefer the Thaiumph 1200 lump in the 961 frame.
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I was just poking fun because some don’t like the water cooled Triumph….”thaiumph”.
I have a 1200 water cooled Triumph, it’s a great motor.
 
NortonDominator2020 said:
Hey Woodooo,
I’m talking about that rug under the fuel tank and the battery with the scotch…
Is it even needed?
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I’m drawing a blank here. Only thing I can think of is the rubber sheet. The one thats sandwiched between the tank and battery box. It’s rubber and uses those two piece push pin buttons. The wire diaper
 

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Clive said:
All this talk about putting a triumph mill into a Norton frame - I think people are losing focus here. It used to be done because the Norton frame was better. So now you spend effort putting the triumph mill into the 961 frame which gives you Ohlins. Like the Thruxton. Brembos. Like the Thruxton. A nice handling frame. Like the Thruxton. Surely it’s easier just to replace the tank badges with Norton/Triton badges? Am I confusing the discussion with common sense?
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Because that’s not traditional
 
Voodooo said:
I was just poking fun because some don’t like the water cooled Triumph….”thaiumph”.
I have a 1200 water cooled Triumph, it’s a great motor.
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Its
Clive said:
All this talk about putting a triumph mill into a Norton frame - I think people are losing focus here. It used to be done because the Norton frame was better. So now you spend effort putting the triumph mill into the 961 frame which gives you Ohlins. Like the Thruxton. Brembos. Like the Thruxton. A nice handling frame. Like the Thruxton. Surely it’s easier just to replace the tank badges with Norton/Triton badges? Am I confusing the discussion with common sense?
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Easy isn't the goal, putting a reliable, more powerful twin into chassis with bitchin' looking bodywork, that's the goal.
Actually the Thaiumph chassis is pretty damn good. Good suspension, and geometry, good brakes, good ergos, etc.
Mating the 1200 mill to a beautiful 961 chassis, now that would be sweet, not simple, just sweet.

I hope someone at the Birmingham factory reads this post.
Might give them an idea.
 
Voodooo said:
I’m drawing a blank here. Only thing I can think of is the rubber sheet. The one thats sandwiched between the tank and battery box. It’s rubber and uses those two piece push pin buttons. The wire diaper
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Yes I’m talking about this one.
What is the actual purpose of this rubber sheet?
 
Clive said:
It’s a truly horrible thing I have been looking at it to work out a better option. First of all secure the main harness properly and spiral bind the rub points. Then I wonder like you; is it really needed? Is a heat shield needed? Is a heat shield going to keep the heat in? If so then a turbo wrap could be employed.
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To keep the heat in? I think it’s suppose to block the heat getting to the fuel tank and to our ass…
 
NortonDominator2020 said:
To keep the heat in? I think it’s suppose to block the heat getting to the fuel tank and to our ass…
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No sorry what I am saying is whatever it is supposed to be there for does it actually end up keeping heat in? Remember you have the oil tank up there.

‘To stop the heat getting to our ass’ - well Ducati has never been too worried about their owners getting the K.P. Treatment (roasted nuts)!
 
Voodooo said:
I’m drawing a blank here. Only thing I can think of is the rubber sheet. The one thats sandwiched between the tank and battery box. It’s rubber and uses those two piece push pin buttons. The wire diaper
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Yeah that is the heat mat. Those old style plastic fasteners were dogshit. I replace them with the later spec.
 
Clive said:
Actually got an automated payment email come through so that's paid - just waiting for details of when I can collect from the factory.

Ollie said he can supply a replacement for the damaged rocker. He lists the refurb as 1100 euros on his site. This would be plus the replacement rocker plus 20% tax so by the end of that there really isn't a lot of difference.

The parts are warrantied in themselves so any problems its a few miles to knock on Norton's door.

The 961 is a very unique bike and if anyone still thinks that ownership is going to be cheap and straightforward then they can't have spent much time on this forum.

I am keen to see if these redesigned parts do fit so we can start to build up some knowledge about fitting new parts to our pre-TVS bikes. It's not particularly of interest to me but if we want to retain value of these bikes then maintaining them with new upgraded Norton parts will definitely help.

Everyone I have dealt with at Norton has been very pleasant and speaks highly of the new regime although there have already been some staff moving on which triggers memories of the Garner years. Geoff in Parts has been very helpful and great to deal with and tells me that Lewis is also very good. I will emphasise that the disclaimer note has come directly from the legal goblins and it has been made very clear to the parts staff that they must not under any circumstances confirm fitment with our older bikes. if you look on this forum at the mixture of billet/non billet clutches, cast/non cast hubs, sensors of all makes and quality and the changes from the 2012 machines to the Euro4 machines you can hardly blame them when they could still be liable for accidents on machines which have had their parts fitted. They are not going to make much from us (even with outrageous spares prices) so it would be so easy to just block all parts sales, which is what they originally did.

I would like to think that a by dealing with some of us PreTVS owners we can come to an understanding - There are a lot of bikers and people with years in the industry amongst them just like us who understand the trials and tribulations of bike ownership.
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Hello,

Ollie lists on his website this:

Rockershaft long and short: 35,55 € each

Bushing Rocker arm : 11,60 € each

Overhauling Rocker arms: 110,50 € include Material

and working time, each

This is with German VAT

An OEM fitting Rockerarm is round about 65.- € (with OEM bushings)

When you take 4 new rockers with the complete upgrade (new shafts and bushes)
you will have costs about 750.-€ include 19% German VAT.

Was on my last invoice from last week.

How do you come up for a price of 1100.-€ only for the refurb?

The biggest advantage is that he can deliver.
 
Panetone said:
Hello,

Ollie lists on his website this:

Rockershaft long and short: 35,55 € each

Bushing Rocker arm : 11,60 € each

Overhauling Rocker arms: 110,50 € include Material

and working time, each

This is with German VAT

An OEM fitting Rockerarm is round about 65.- € (with OEM bushings)

When you take 4 new rockers with the complete upgrade (new shafts and bushes)
you will have costs about 750.-€ include 19% German VAT.

Was on my last invoice from last week.

How do you come up for a price of 1100.-€ only for the refurb?

The biggest advantage is that he can deliver.
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For all we know , The Birmingham Norton " new rockers " are Ollie improved remans plus mark up ! Let's not forget that BN were in discussions with suppliers and I think Ollie was one of them .
 
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Stu Bodycote said:
Yeah that is the heat mat. Those old style plastic fasteners were dogshit. I replace them with the later spec.
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How can that possibly be considered a heat shield when it’s rubber and has zero foil or any fibers in its material? I considered it a water shield to help keep the fuel pump and electrical components dry from front wheel wash out during wet weather riding.
 
Voodooo said:
How can that possibly be considered a heat shield when it’s rubber and has zero foil or any fibers in its material? I considered it a water shield to help keep the fuel pump and electrical components dry from front wheel wash out during wet weather riding.
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That’s what I always thought it was too …
 
Voodooo said:
How can that possibly be considered a heat shield when it’s rubber and has zero foil or any fibers in its material? I considered it a water shield to help keep the fuel pump and electrical components dry from front wheel wash out during wet weather ridriding
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I retract what I said. We always called it the heat mat....just checked the BOM, and it's listed as a splash shield.
 
TonyA said:
For all we know , The Birmingham Norton " new rockers " are Ollie improved remans plus mark up ! Let's not forget that BN were in discussions with suppliers and I think Ollie was one of them .
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Panetone said:
Hello,

Ollie lists on his website this:

Rockershaft long and short: 35,55 € each

Bushing Rocker arm : 11,60 € each

Overhauling Rocker arms: 110,50 € include Material

and working time, each

This is with German VAT

An OEM fitting Rockerarm is round about 65.- € (with OEM bushings)

When you take 4 new rockers with the complete upgrade (new shafts and bushes)
you will have costs about 750.-€ include 19% German VAT.

Was on my last invoice from last week.

How do you come up for a price of 1100.-€ only for the refurb?

The biggest advantage is that he can deliver.
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Custom work can get expensive. We have overhauled(bushing) rockers, and it was a lot more than that. Machine work plus individual fitting takes time. Look around at shop rates lately....
 
Panetone said:
How do you come up for a price of 1100.-€ only for the refurb?

The biggest advantage is that he can deliver.
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Hi yes you are right i misread this. I think when I read ‘we can overhaul you rockers’ I have got used to reading numbers with four digits! One rocker is definitely wrecked and the others are slopping around worn bell-mouthed where the bushes sat. So I have very little confidence in these rockers and do not want them in my engine. This is not a reflection on Ollie’s work as he has proved the quality of his engineering and his contribution to the 961 is brilliant.

When you say he can deliver I assume you imply that Norton do not have them in stock - well hopefully I will be at the factory collecting them next week! Fingers crossed!

I have seen the new factory on a number of occasions and the push for quality is absolutely paramount. So I am willing to pay extra for an original Norton part and hopefully contribute to our information on ‘new part’ fitment. Luckily I don’t have to save money on parts like I used to when I was working on cars years ago. Our favourite children are always going to cost us money!
 
Clive said:
Hi yes you are right i misread this. I think when I read ‘we can overhaul you rockers’ I have got used to reading numbers with four digits! One rocker is definitely wrecked and the others are slopping around worn bell-mouthed where the bushes sat. So I have very little confidence in these rockers and do not want them in my engine. This is not a reflection on Ollie’s work as he has proved the quality of his engineering and his contribution to the 961 is brilliant.

When you say he can deliver I assume you imply that Norton do not have them in stock - well hopefully I will be at the factory collecting them next week! Fingers crossed!

I have seen the new factory on a number of occasions and the push for quality is absolutely paramount. So I am willing to pay extra for an original Norton part and hopefully contribute to our information on ‘new part’ fitment. Luckily I don’t have to save money on parts like I used to when I was working on cars years ago. Our favourite children are always going to cost us money!
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Hello Clive , It is unfortunate that these parts cost so much. But the information you gain from this will be very helpful to us here in Norton 961 land . Is it possible the parts prices from TVS may moderate as they get their processes in line ?
 
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