Rocker arms - sorry guys something to worry about

Clive said:
Well I have ordered a new set of spacer washers (£10 each) although the old ones are unworn so could use the old ones as spacers. I am not sure how much I have polished down - maybe .5mm - but obviously can measure float once they arrive. One side is straight - not offset - so I might get some shim steel with two holes in for the rocker shafts to go through. Wish I could remake the posts they are big heavy old lumps of alu. sitting at the top of the engine.
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So… we’ve already gone from talking supercharged 1200cc Tritons, to talking about ordering a set of washers ?

Ok, I’ll get me coat…

BTW Clive, check yer messages…
 
Fast Eddie said:
No idea Clive, but I cannot imagine why it SHOULD fit really. Gone are the days where anything will fit in a Feathered provided you got some 1/4” alloy plate and a hacksaw !

But as it’s all nice and simple, steel tubes etc, I can’t see it being prohibitively complex.

And come on… a 1200cc supercharged 21st century Triton … what’s not to like ??

Might be more cost effective to build two at once you know… cancel those rockers and you’re already £2.5k there mate…

Jus’ sayin’

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If someone shoehorned a gen 1 Hinckley twin into a 961 frame, why not a gen 2 1200cc motor?
And if that was possible, then why the hell not also add a TTS supercharger setup - tailor made for the 1200?
Seems all perfectly reasonable to me.🤯

Let me know if you're successful.
- I have a 961
- I have a Speed Twin 1200 "donor"

I suggested Norton do the a similar thing to build a NEW Commando 1200.
Buy 1200 motors from Triumph, but with Norton badges, and engine covers.
Really, not so strange is it?
 
Clive said:
Actually got an automated payment email come through so that's paid - just waiting for details of when I can collect from the factory.

Ollie said he can supply a replacement for the damaged rocker. He lists the refurb as 1100 euros on his site. This would be plus the replacement rocker plus 20% tax so by the end of that there really isn't a lot of difference.

The parts are warrantied in themselves so any problems its a few miles to knock on Norton's door.

The 961 is a very unique bike and if anyone still thinks that ownership is going to be cheap and straightforward then they can't have spent much time on this forum.

I am keen to see if these redesigned parts do fit so we can start to build up some knowledge about fitting new parts to our pre-TVS bikes. It's not particularly of interest to me but if we want to retain value of these bikes then maintaining them with new upgraded Norton parts will definitely help.

Everyone I have dealt with at Norton has been very pleasant and speaks highly of the new regime although there have already been some staff moving on which triggers memories of the Garner years. Geoff in Parts has been very helpful and great to deal with and tells me that Lewis is also very good. I will emphasise that the disclaimer note has come directly from the legal goblins and it has been made very clear to the parts staff that they must not under any circumstances confirm fitment with our older bikes. if you look on this forum at the mixture of billet/non billet clutches, cast/non cast hubs, sensors of all makes and quality and the changes from the 2012 machines to the Euro4 machines you can hardly blame them when they could still be liable for accidents on machines which have had their parts fitted. They are not going to make much from us (even with outrageous spares prices) so it would be so easy to just block all parts sales, which is what they originally did.

I would like to think that a by dealing with some of us PreTVS owners we can come to an understanding - There are a lot of bikers and people with years in the industry amongst them just like us who understand the trials and tribulations of bike ownership.
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Hi Clive,

I contacted Norton last week wanting only the heat protector under the fuel tank and pegs. They replied that the Commando is not even out yet and that the parts department will be open only after their bikes will be ready and only then it will be possible to buy parts…

Can you please share the contract details of Geoff and Lewis and maybe they can help me by it right now?

Hopefully not at the rockers price as I’m a smoker and no one will buy my kidneys🙃

Thanks.
 
BritTwit said:
If someone shoehorned a gen 1 Hinckley twin into a 961 frame, why not a gen 2 1200cc motor?
And if that was possible, then why the hell not also add a TTS supercharger setup - tailor made for the 1200?
Seems all perfectly reasonable to me.🤯

Let me know if you're successful.
- I have a 961
- I have a Speed Twin 1200 "donor"

I suggested Norton do the a similar thing to build a NEW Commando 1200.
Buy 1200 motors from Triumph, but with Norton badges, and engine covers.
Really, not so strange is it?
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Or just get a donor engine out of this junker.
 

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NortonDominator2020 said:
Can you please share the contract details of Geoff and Lewis and maybe they can help me by it right now?
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Hi you can phone through on the main number and ask for Geoff Fitchett. I haven't spoken to Lewis yet and can't currently find his surname but you should be able to get through to Lewis in Parts.
 
NortonDominator2020 said:
Hi Clive,

I contacted Norton last week wanting only the heat protector under the fuel tank and pegs. They replied that the Commando is not even out yet and that the parts department will be open only after their bikes will be ready and only then it will be possible to buy parts…

Can you please share the contract details of Geoff and Lewis and maybe they can help me by it right now?

Hopefully not at the rockers price as I’m a smoker and no one will buy my kidneys🙃

Thanks.
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Good luck.
Same ole run around.

What heat protection are you talking about? The rubber flap that uses those crazy two piece push pins?
 
BritTwit said:
If someone shoehorned a gen 1 Hinckley twin into a 961 frame, why not a gen 2 1200cc motor?
And if that was possible, then why the hell not also add a TTS supercharger setup - tailor made for the 1200?
Seems all perfectly reasonable to me.🤯

Let me know if you're successful.
- I have a 961
- I have a Speed Twin 1200 "donor"

I suggested Norton do the a similar thing to build a NEW Commando 1200.
Buy 1200 motors from Triumph, but with Norton badges, and engine covers.
Really, not so strange is it?
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Why not just put the parallel twin from the KTM 890 Duke R. It’s got 120 hp and 75 tq and you can certainly fit it into a 961 frame. Plus it’s way more durable and easier to buy parts for than a 961.

Or a bmw R9T boxer twin air / oil cooled.
Or a 803 ducati
The list goes on and on.
 
I don't want to hijack this thread with no rocker related discussion but......

I would shoehorn a parallel twin into the Norton frame because it is more typically British in design.
I love Ducks but in a trellis frame not the 961 frame.
KTM - a V-Twin, love them, but is not a parallel twin.
R9T - wonderful mill, but really, cylinders sticking out sideways, sign of the anti-christ, unacceptable.
 
I really think it has to be the Triumph engine....its more befitting in a traditional way. Go the whole hog and compound charge it with a supercharger and a turbo instead though 🫣 😆
 
BritTwit said:
I don't want to hijack this thread with no rocker related discussion but......

I would shoehorn a parallel twin into the Norton frame because it is more typically British in design.
I love Ducks but in a trellis frame not the 961 frame.
KTM - a V-Twin, love them, but is not a parallel twin.
R9T - wonderful mill, but really, cylinders sticking out sideways, sign of the anti-christ, unacceptable.
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I believe the KTM 890 is a parallel twin…
 
Fast Eddie said:
I believe the KTM 890 is a parallel twin…
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So it is, my bad.
If the mill had righteous cooling fins it probably wouldn't look too bad set in the 961 frame and bodywork.
But would still prefer the Thaiumph 1200 lump in the 961 frame.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
I really think it has to be the Triumph engine....its more befitting in a traditional way. Go the whole hog and compound charge it with a supercharger and a turbo instead though 🫣 😆
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Great idea, maybe a bit of nitrous too.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Me too.

A KTTon doesn’t quite have the same ring to it does it ?!
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Pathetic actually.
NorDuke 890 would be better.
But even that sound like crap.
Although, to be fair, the 1200 would have to be Thaiton, not a Triton, right?:(

Apologies to all for polluting this rocker thread with silly speculations.
 
NortonDominator2020 said:
Hey Woodooo,
I’m talking about that rug under the fuel tank and the battery with the scotch…
Is it even needed?
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It’s a truly horrible thing I have been looking at it to work out a better option. First of all secure the main harness properly and spiral bind the rub points. Then I wonder like you; is it really needed? Is a heat shield needed? Is a heat shield going to keep the heat in? If so then a turbo wrap could be employed.
 
All this talk about putting a triumph mill into a Norton frame - I think people are losing focus here. It used to be done because the Norton frame was better. So now you spend effort putting the triumph mill into the 961 frame which gives you Ohlins. Like the Thruxton. Brembos. Like the Thruxton. A nice handling frame. Like the Thruxton. Surely it’s easier just to replace the tank badges with Norton/Triton badges? Am I confusing the discussion with common sense?
 
BritTwit said:
I don't want to hijack this thread with no rocker related discussion but......

I would shoehorn a parallel twin into the Norton frame because it is more typically British in design.
I love Ducks but in a trellis frame not the 961 frame.
KTM - a V-Twin, love them, but is not a parallel twin.
R9T - wonderful mill, but really, cylinders sticking out sideways, sign of the anti-christ, unacceptable.
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The 890 KTM is a parallel twin.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
I really think it has to be the Triumph engine....it’s more befitting in a traditional way. Go the whole hog and compound charge it with a supercharger and a turbo instead though 🫣 😆
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I agree 100%. I was just throwing stones out there lol.
 
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