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I had a bad ending to an otherwise excellent ride last Monday (Labor Day). At the very end of the ride, a few miles from home, I took a right turn and grabbed a bit too much front brake. The front wheel locked up in sand on the road and I went down at about 20 mph.

Pulled a leg muscle at the groin (ouch), and got some road rash on elbow and knee. A week later I'm still sore and on crutches, but healing. The Norton is damaged cosmetically but was rideable enough to get me home.

My web site was recently updated to show off my pretty redhead, about a month ago:
http://pages.cthome.net/davecullen/norton.html

Damage pics from my Flikr account:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18121985@N ... 2186/show/

Nothing that can't be replaced. The one that bothers me the most is the dent on top of the right muffler:

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I can't imagine the kick lever bending that far back without something giving. During the short ride home (balancing right foot on the footrest stub for shifting) the gearbox was making clunking noises when shifting into gear. My worst fear is that something in the gearbox is damaged.

It'll be a while before the damage is fully assessed and I get new parts. Gotta call my insurance and find out what they'll cover.
This is the first time the Norton has ever been down - in 35 years. Keep the shiny side up, gents.
 
Dave,

First time down in 35 years ? You're doing good. Like they say, there are those who have been down, and those that are going down.

As far as the dent in the muffler, swap sides.

Hope you are feeling better soon.

Greg
 
It's amazing how many little things get tweaked when you lay a bike down even at low speed. Like you said nothing that can't be replaced and it sounds like you took more of a beating than the norton
 
Same ole story I hear about twice a season on 3 vintage cycle lists, not counting the ones locals tell me. Glad it happened to a respected rider that's not considered a squid like me. Out of my few dozen downs over the 3 years or so of riding out of last 13 or so, Only a few have been from me over doing speed or power while +going straight ahead+ to hit unseen holes or having to dodge hazard that pops into road that was clear the instant before. By Far most of my drops have been under 20 mph on loose stuff or very steep pavement drops that needed some drag to slight slowing just as tire encounters unseen grit. Some so invisible I had to drag boot to detect it looking straight down on it in full sun light after getting recovered enough to investigate what went wrong so easy and fast. ugh.

You should be feeling guilty of bad judgment and poor riding skills, revealed in your lucky 35 years w/o crashing, being fooled thinking you had fate in control, ha. Don't get upset at the messenger, you made same mistake as me and any one else when getting on two wheels, fate is stacked against you for the universal motto that should be imprinted in bones to replay each time thought of riding occurs. Is this a good day to go out to go down?

Now lets discuss something few realize, symptoms don't mean a dam thing. Just like Commando's rough runing can be from fuel to electric to mechanical reasons and often enough all at once to cause trouble that be un noticed otherwise.
You have a nerve injury in central nervous system, mostly in upper neck but also likely the lower back too from pre-existing if undetected prior upper spinal cord damage. Goats tore apart my R knee lateral collateral ligament and blew apart the lateral miniscus, How could I tell being an neuro-othro expert? R knee would just fall to the L side if any attempt made to hold it out ward past plumb bob vertical that surrounding skin and muscle kept from completely separating joint.
Point of hip bone-femur trochantor was crushed in too, right where the major pelvic muscles attach. But I got no spinal injury from it and had reserves build up by mineral supplements, it did not really hurt at all unless they got snagged by a cob web or carpet fiber in wrong direction, for electrified ax chop shearing smashed dislocated and ground along gravel with me and bike on top injury, so instantly I'd remember not to move joints that way, left out breath and gimp along pain free with no other side effects, till 4 days later, didn't hardly have to watch out as got stable and coordinated again. Flexy magnets over knee and hip also speeded up the recovery vastly. I was working and building rock retaining wall on wet clay slope during this time, mixing cement and carrying 5 gal buckets of gravel and mud up hill to wall and stumbling but only once in a while sharp pain on slipps that went away in few seconds. Mainly I was pleased I go NO neck or back bother at all, but knew I was on thin ice to stay this Non Inflammed with state of mind lossing only running bike I just got recovered 6 months ago - SO I stayed off all refined sweets and artificial sweetners and strong alcohol,
OR
I'd be just like you an old man limping and gimping with concern it may turn into a chronic condition and interfere with future riding and other activity.
You may be in denial but the state of mind of causing damage to Commando directly affects your muscle tone and body posture and response of immune system to the repair of flesh and bone. Message is if you just treat local injury,
thinking that's all it is, then you can expect delays in recovery and acceleration of deadly degenerative conditions of neuro-cardiovascular-respiratory-digestive-immune-hormonal-emotional-skeletal system. The upper neck spinal cord-brain stem is in control of all this and is what is MAGNIFYING otherwise mild injury that should be feeling a "good" ache and strain to use by now.

I teach a 'Rule of 3" in these events, 3 seconds later reaction, 3 hours, 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 seasons, 3 years, 3 decades, delayed reactions. Be on watch for this. There is long term DIY simple solution I want everyone to know about to recover from old events and be prepped with reserves to take and bounce back from the new ones always lurking. Its basically just stretching-tractioning the neck longer and backwards to restore the ligaments and discs to clear nervous system control of inflammatory repair process. You may think you are an old fart but the gut lining should replace every 4-5 days, the whole blood re-newed in 120 days, joint re-form and re surface in 7-9 months, IF they can be moved well to pump and stimulate the WHITE connective tissues which is same stuff blood vessels made from. White d/t little blood flow so motion is vital or just scars up, dries out and makes bone spurs and crumbles away.

I give out the neck protocols on request, but last 'puter crash wiped out the template I had so will take a bit to redo it. There is some danger in self treatment until you understand you own body language to guide you safely.
Rule of 3 can also work in opposite direction, 3 days later when most swelling expected, great relief instead and just gets better even faster after that.
If stretching-traction done wrong you can be crippled in pain 3-5 days later w/o knowing what got ya...

Two studies have been done 100 year apart, both measured head resting flat on table face up. If needed 3/4" pad to make comfy, then 1.5x's death by heart and stroke occurred, if more than 3/4" pad needed they found 244% or 2.5 x's Death by heart attack and stroke. Both studies concluded that the PRIMARY Cause of Arterial Sclerosis, the leading cause of death in modern times is d/u upper spinal cord compression. Nerves control both inflammation and genetic expression. We are all dealt a genetic deck of cards with some mean ones in there, but if only playing the good ones, you can play a lot better game a lot longer.

[DOC]
Hyperkyphotic Posture Predicts Mortality in Older Community-
File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
Deborah M. Kado, MD, MS,_ Mei-Hua Huang, DrPH,_ Arun S. Karlamangla, MD, PhD,_. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, MD,w and Gail A. Greendale, MD_. OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between ... hyperkyphosis and mortality. One study reported that ... r 2004 by the American Geriatrics Society

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Dave,
I'm glad that you are OK; your beautiful bike is just a few dollars from looking like new again. I don't expect sand at this time of year, thanks for the reality check.

RS
 
hobot said:
Same ole story I hear about twice a season on 3 vintage cycle lists, not counting the ones locals tell me. Glad it happened to a respected rider that's not considered a squid like me. Out of my few dozen downs over the 3 years or so of riding out of last 13 or so, Only a few have been from me over doing speed or power while +going straight ahead+ to hit unseen holes or having to dodge hazard that pops into road that was clear the instant before. By Far most of my drops have been under 20 mph on loose stuff or very steep pavement drops that needed some drag to slight slowing just as tire encounters unseen grit. Some so invisible I had to drag boot to detect it looking straight down on it in full sun light after getting recovered enough to investigate what went wrong so easy and fast. ugh.

You should be feeling guilty of bad judgment and poor riding skills, revealed in your lucky 35 years w/o crashing, being fooled thinking you had fate in control, ha. Don't get upset at the messenger, you made same mistake as me and any one else when getting on two wheels, fate is stacked against you for the universal motto that should be imprinted in bones to replay each time thought of riding occurs. Is this a good day to go out to go down?

Now lets discuss something few realize, symptoms don't mean a dam thing. Just like Commando's rough runing can be from fuel to electric to mechanical reasons and often enough all at once to cause trouble that be un noticed otherwise.
You have a nerve injury in central nervous system, mostly in upper neck but also likely the lower back too from pre-existing if undetected prior upper spinal cord damage. Goats tore apart my R knee lateral collateral ligament and blew apart the lateral miniscus, How could I tell being an neuro-othro expert? R knee would just fall to the L side if any attempt made to hold it out ward past plumb bob vertical that surrounding skin and muscle kept from completely separating joint.
Point of hip bone-femur trochantor was crushed in too, right where the major pelvic muscles attach. But I got no spinal injury from it and had reserves build up by mineral supplements, it did not really hurt at all unless they got snagged by a cob web or carpet fiber in wrong direction, for electrified ax chop shearing smashed dislocated and ground along gravel with me and bike on top injury, so instantly I'd remember not to move joints that way, left out breath and gimp along pain free with no other side effects, till 4 days later, didn't hardly have to watch out as got stable and coordinated again. Flexy magnets over knee and hip also speeded up the recovery vastly. I was working and building rock retaining wall on wet clay slope during this time, mixing cement and carrying 5 gal buckets of gravel and mud up hill to wall and stumbling but only once in a while sharp pain on slipps that went away in few seconds. Mainly I was pleased I go NO neck or back bother at all, but knew I was on thin ice to stay this Non Inflammed with state of mind lossing only running bike I just got recovered 6 months ago - SO I stayed off all refined sweets and artificial sweetners and strong alcohol,
OR
I'd be just like you an old man limping and gimping with concern it may turn into a chronic condition and interfere with future riding and other activity.
You may be in denial but the state of mind of causing damage to Commando directly affects your muscle tone and body posture and response of immune system to the repair of flesh and bone. Message is if you just treat local injury,
thinking that's all it is, then you can expect delays in recovery and acceleration of deadly degenerative conditions of neuro-cardiovascular-respiratory-digestive-immune-hormonal-emotional-skeletal system. The upper neck spinal cord-brain stem is in control of all this and is what is MAGNIFYING otherwise mild injury that should be feeling a "good" ache and strain to use by now.

I teach a 'Rule of 3" in these events, 3 seconds later reaction, 3 hours, 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 seasons, 3 years, 3 decades, delayed reactions. Be on watch for this. There is long term DIY simple solution I want everyone to know about to recover from old events and be prepped with reserves to take and bounce back from the new ones always lurking. Its basically just stretching-tractioning the neck longer and backwards to restore the ligaments and discs to clear nervous system control of inflammatory repair process. You may think you are an old fart but the gut lining should replace every 4-5 days, the whole blood re-newed in 120 days, joint re-form and re surface in 7-9 months, IF they can be moved well to pump and stimulate the WHITE connective tissues which is same stuff blood vessels made from. White d/t little blood flow so motion is vital or just scars up, dries out and makes bone spurs and crumbles away.

I give out the neck protocols on request, but last 'puter crash wiped out the template I had so will take a bit to redo it. There is some danger in self treatment until you understand you own body language to guide you safely.
Rule of 3 can also work in opposite direction, 3 days later when most swelling expected, great relief instead and just gets better even faster after that.
If stretching-traction done wrong you can be crippled in pain 3-5 days later w/o knowing what got ya...

Two studies have been done 100 year apart, both measured head resting flat on table face up. If needed 3/4" pad to make comfy, then 1.5x's death by heart and stroke occurred, if more than 3/4" pad needed they found 244% or 2.5 x's Death by heart attack and stroke. Both studies concluded that the PRIMARY Cause of Arterial Sclerosis, the leading cause of death in modern times is d/u upper spinal cord compression. Nerves control both inflammation and genetic expression. We are all dealt a genetic deck of cards with some mean ones in there, but if only playing the good ones, you can play a lot better game a lot longer.

[DOC]
Hyperkyphotic Posture Predicts Mortality in Older Community-
File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
Deborah M. Kado, MD, MS,_ Mei-Hua Huang, DrPH,_ Arun S. Karlamangla, MD, PhD,_. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, MD,w and Gail A. Greendale, MD_. OBJECTIVES: To determine the association between ... hyperkyphosis and mortality. One study reported that ... r 2004 by the American Geriatrics Society

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hobot - i want what you are on, regardless if it is legal or not :shock:
 
Mike, Dave and I go back far enough he's knows what I'm talking about but likely got so good feeling he didn't keep up the neck protocols so impact hit nerves more than reasonable. What I'm on is natural juices, same electromagnetic resonance and chemistry as pot or mushrooms. Drug companies know this, once seeing a sale brochure that showed the initial vital inte-reaction of drugs with tissue receptors sites was electromagnetic at a distance before actual confroming to bind and cause an effect -by blocked some normal chemical. If ya make your own then don't take much or any at all external stuff, in fact mostly brings ya down as they ain't as smooth or long lasting as your home grown neurotransmitters.

I don't tease nor mislead on Peel rump links wonders, same with re-growing neck, it pay back like you can't believe and acts a hidden sniper at everything we call life and ease or glee. I don't ride until I'm recovered broken necks to take new fractures and still bounce back gooder than new, as crushed joints are prime opportunity to re-model into new more efficient shape and range.

As to the high, brain don't stop at foreman magnum hole but exctends down to C3, middle of the neck. This is where we really live from the rest is just decorations on the cake. From C-3 to top of midbrain run nebulous network called Reticular Activating System. This is what wakes up and motivaties to live instead of hibernating forever. Its a sliding scale, one extreme is called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. At top in mid brain is where we perceive where we are, in car in bed upright laying down flying through air, just blow that is processed whether is good or bad, flying through air in perfect pool dive or off bike saddle in traffic for instance, Next level down near skull opening is area that directs where to put attention, surface of water or big rock at landing point. Just at skull and into neck area - reports back what happened and if new action needed to make the higher brain parts happy. The higher brain parts believe only what the brain stem tells it to, pain to false image interpetation, like me seeing tops of cattle back - higher brain said no worry mate, just truck cab coming over rise in its own lane, but lower brain stem, responable for what called Blind Sight registered correctly and made me slow down - when what I really wanted to do was show off on Peel to my brother I'd just pasted demoing my new construction.
I chased cattle out of highway and scared em good deep into field. Rest of the brain just adds details, like what time of day, temperature, colors, textures etc.
But those only come to mind after processed by the more ancient life giving brain stem. Upper brain make compute you can afford a new part, but its the brain stem that allows the final survival decision and reaction to it.
I know I've made good choice by how easy and deep it allows my automatic breathing, which is control by brain stem and C3 Phrenic nerve. Same thing that causes Panic to heart attacks or sleep apnea.

My sporting life, water-snow skiing to slip-slide riding and kicking, or even walking right let alone run, was firmly prognosised when MD and PMD that i"ve been lucky to walk after saving life by feet in face on ultralight down wind stall in '83. Spark plugs broke off on my back type bone-frame folding face in SPLAT!
12 yrs later begin awaking with bad ankle in side that had to carry others plaster cast on crutches. Got so bad instead of lunch I stuck pin deep into joints and wired acupuncture power unit to them and cranked up full blast into muscle twitch level - instead of eating so I could take rest of day just skipping along on other foot. My colleages injected joint and nerves with procaine and scelosising agents for no effect. At age 42 miss treated mangle fracture, I felt brand new ankle up. 6 months later a class with ski trip at Mt Hood made me think I would be sipping hot toodies all day in bar till classes started at night. Then occured to me what I tell patients, stretch neck no matter what, so began that even though neck felt great, by GOSH ankle got so strong and pain less I could crash and tumble the XXBlackDiamond runs at over full speed with just a good working it out feeling with ski boot on - within 3 wks!!!!!, A month later could of done it bare foot and still could. Only flair up there is if stressed w/o aware of how much and have strong alcohol or sugar/sweets, then next am may be bend over crippled till junk washes out in half a day then like brand new again, no wasted
mental or medical procedures on what is causing what.

My once life time allergies and addictions have left me too after breaking neck at corner school wheelie bike on head at 120 mph. Had to really apply protocols for a surprise ending, every one should have - getting better and better aging with retained wisdom's, using up everything around you, not the common way, unuh.
Think I'm nut case now, neck work and minerals stabilized my schizo-bipolar to keep a wife happy 20 year now instead of others or me splitting up mealy.

Most nerologists to me are like dumb dogs, sniffing-looking at the finger [symptoms-signs] pointing out the squirrel in the tree top. Sure can patch a tire, but then don't know to look for the pile of nails causing the leaks.

Safe Journeys into the Future

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Maylar, sorry to hear of your situation; glad it wasn't worse! i like the idea of swapping right muffler for left, I've done that.

Hobot, the soul of brevity.

I love you, man.
 
I don't mean to seem cold, but if you are gonna swap out those mufflers...consider letting me know how much you want for them! One man's trash...

Hope you are back in the saddle soon,
Russ
 
Sorry to hear about the spill Maylar. Everything can be mended or replaced so things arent as terrible as they seem. That is one nice machine for sure!
 
Maylar, sorry to hear about your spill. The only spills on a bike I have is a fellow pulling out from a 4 way stop and hitting me in the left side on the foot peg. Guess he didn't like m/c. Luckily it was at low speed and I walked off the bike as it went down, but it was a thrasher, a '50 BSA 500. I haven't had the road rash yet and am not hoping to go there. Hope you recover nicely and keep moving, it helps in the long run.

We won't talk about car accidents.

Dave
69S
 
Worse than the immediate injury we survive, it the long term wear, so sedentary and head down positions over time are worse than dramatic crashes survive. I call it THE Sag Factor. Isolastics are known for this too.
 
Glad you and the redhead are (mostly) ok. Always did lurve a redhead, but then I have Oedipal issues :wink:

BUT, followed your link to your website and noticed that in your favourite links page there is a glaring omission. :shock: :?: :shock:
 
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