Replace con rods without splitting cases?

I also believe in balancing the motor to suit JS rods and pistons.

One reason is this: if using a 50+ year old stock crank, you do not know your starting point, so all the calculations and estimations are based on sand.

I have it on good authority from back in the day that Norton botched the crank balancing on Commandos. My hypothesis is that the isolastics worked so well, they dropped the ball on crank balancing.

Plus, an engine could have been re-balanced by some unnamed person, at some unknown time, using some unknown theories.
Sounds wonderful, but when I was building my engine, I tried to find someone
I’ve built 3 JS equipped engines now and have had them properly balanced each time and the results have been fabulous every time.

The most recent was my Seeley with a 1007 motor. I believe it was balanced incorrectly when first built as the vibration was horrible (ie I thought it would brake things), but then a 1007cc, 11:1cr, solid mounted twin ain’t ever gonna be turbine smooth of course.

I canvassed opinions and got a range from 72% to 78% as the most recommended factor for a rigid mounted Seeley. So, knowing no better, I aimed in the middle and went for 75%. The re-balance and the use of JS rods and pistons TRANSFORMED the bike.

Yes, I know I did 2 big changes at once so cannot put all credit to the JS parts, but they removed over HALF A POUND of reciprocating weight. Just think about the stresses involved with that going ‘up, stop, down, stop, repeat’ over 100 times per second !!

Unsurprisingly, the engine produced more power as a result as well as being much smoother, so def a win-win.
Sounds really good. When I was building my engine, I tried to find someone reasonably local who could balance the crank, without success. There's a local workshop that say thay do it on their website, but only car cranks (4 cylinders and more). Another place that used to specialise in motorbike engines, I asked them if they could do a 360 degree crank - their reply was "What's a 360 degree crank?" Not very confidence inspiring
:)
I decided to just go with what I have....
 
You could use just his light weight pistons designed for stock rods. I think reducing piston weight would always be a good idea.
Yes, that's now the plan. Won't get the improved geometry of the longer rods (nor the comfort of the Carrillo name) but I agree, less weight going up and down however many times per second has got to be a good thing. Plus, shiny!
 
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Yes, that's now the plan. Won't get the improved geometry of the longer rods (nor the comfort of the Carrillo name) but I agree, less weight going up and down however many times per second has got to be a good thing. Plus, shiny!
Much easier and cheaper. Once you split the cases the options to burn through money are endless.

Check MAP Cycle, you might be able to save $200 and get the same results. Just saying you have options for lighter weight pistons manufactured in the USA.
 
Be aware that any of other than Jim Scmidt conrods bolts are 3/8 ,and thus you will them hitting the cases on down stroke , the JS /carillo ones are 5/16 and fit prefectly , I know because I had both of them and with the 3/8 bolts either you relive some alloy inside the case or you cut a chamfer on your bolts (which I do !)
take your choice ...
 
Be aware that any of other than Jim Scmidt conrods bolts are 3/8 ,and thus you will them hitting the cases on down stroke , the JS /carillo ones are 5/16 and fit prefectly , I know because I had both of them and with the 3/8 bolts either you relive some alloy inside the case or you cut a chamfer on your bolts (which I do !)
take your choice ...
Different experience... I've used MAP Cycle long rods and pistons in P11 750 cases with zero issues, so no reason they wouldn't work in Commando cases. Unfortunately, MAP Cycle doesn't seem to have long rod kits available even though the website says they are in stock. Not that it matters, since Brian is not going to split the cases. I currently have Carrillo long rods and pistons in the engine. The MAP Cycle long rods use the same nuts Carrillo uses by the way. Point is there are options other than what JS is selling that work in Norton twin cases.

5/16" nuts on MAP long rods
Replace con rods without splitting cases?

5/16" nuts on JS Carrillo long rods
Replace con rods without splitting cases?
 
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I do not get it. How can rods be fitted on a crankshaft, if the crankshaft is not out of the crankcases ? Thinking about doing something always makes it more difficult. With a Norton engine, we just do what needs to be done. Fancy bits are not really needed. Supposition and speculation do not create facts. I am used to 650cc Triumph engines - I am surprised that Commando engines are so much better.
 
Much easier and cheaper. Once you split the cases the options to burn through money are endless.

Check MAP Cycle, you might be able to save $200 and get the same results. Just saying you have options for lighter weight pistons manufactured in the USA.
Not sure what you're saying about MAP rods and pistons being made in the USA. See info below about parts made in China:

MAPs website at :

https://www.mapcycle.com/categories...s/map7067-norton-5-875-h-beam-4340-steel.html

MAP's website says “Finite element analyses design by High Cotton MotoWorks ..."

High Cotton's website says:

Finite element analyses , websight at https://www.linkedin.com/in/rod-harms-29078611

High Cotton PowerMilwaukee School of Engineering. Anderson

“Started a small vintage motorcycle parts business based in Chongqing China. Responsible for all of the design/engineering work. Also responsible in directing other purchasing agents in the procurement of the vintage motorcycle components. Have designed and supplied US based distributor with forged connecting rods and various intake manifolds. The connecting rods were designed complete with FEA analysis. Manifolds were designed using CFD analysis. Looking into expanding into the procurement of specially design crankshaft and cylinder heads. Parts are being sourced from different suppliers around various parts of China.”
 
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Different experience... I've used MAP Cycle long rods and pistons in P11 750 cases with zero issues, so no reason they wouldn't work in Commando cases. Unfortunately, MAP Cycle doesn't seem to have long rod kits available even though the website says they are in stock. Not that it matters, since Brian is not going to split the cases. I currently have Carrillo long rods and pistons in the engine. The MAP Cycle long rods use the same nuts Carrillo uses by the way. Point is there are options other than what JS is selling that work in Norton twin cases.

5/16" nuts on MAP long rods
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5/16" nuts on JS Carrillo long rods
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That Molnar crank is so sexy !!
 
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