Question about Brexit

Marrow rum was a bit of fad, old ladies stocking, hollow out said marrow, fill with sugar, hang in stocking with drip hole in bottom. Let it ferment n drip into a jug. Then pour it away. Bloody awful . Those were the days Eh !
 
This one, skip to 6:30, for an overview of the history of the trading relationships between Britain and post WW II Europe, beginning with the Pre EU European Coal and Steel Union, the Common Market - European Economic Community, the Mastricht Treaty, the EU, and so on.

 
The general strike of May 1928 was about coal imports from the Ruhr entering the UK and making the UK mine owners poorer, so they started getting hard on the miners. How is Brexit much different ? This time it might not be coal, but something else. History tends to repeat itself and the Conservatives' agenda never changes.
 
Craig said:
And the conservative agenda is ?
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The Conservatives' agenda is doing the best for the people whom they represent and whom funds the party. That is probably a minority, even when they have a majority of the vote. The question with Brexit should be 'qui bono ?' - who benefits. In Australia, the contents of our free trade agreements are kept secret, so we never really know what we are talking about. It might be different in the UK, however I doubt that. Whenever a vote happens in Australia, the media is used to manipulate and there is always a quid pro quo - the destruction of the ABC and changing the media ownership laws. You might have voted for Brexit, but did you really know the issues so that you have a rational point of view ?
The mining lobby is a major influence in Australian politics, as are the farmers. As a result we have almost nil manufacturing. How many scientists do the farmers employ in your country ?
 
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trident sam said:
Oh, I didn't like Scargill either but Thatcher set out to deliberately break any union power and she started with the NUM as it was the strongest. She also sent coppers up to break miners heads, bang out of order , she was also quite prepared to see my city of Liverpool go to shit, Southerners have no concept of what it was like in the North under Thatcher.
Where do you get that I don't care about construction jobs being lost ? I care about every damned job being lost !
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I don’t dispute this statement, but what you seem to have forgotten was that the NUM and other unions brought down the Heath government, Heath's government initially enjoyed a strong economy and relatively low unemployment,

But then came the 1973 oil crisis, and just before Christmas, Heath declared a "three day week" in which the use of offices, factories and most public buildings was reduced to three days a week, He also faced a battle with the unions over pay freezes and restraints, which sparked a rise in strikes. The economy also entered a recession.

Heath's response in February 1974 was to call a general election, urging the voters to decide whether it was the government or the unions which ran Britain. In 1974 Miners' strike comes to an end. British coal workers have called off a four-week strike following a 35% pay offer from the new Labour government in what is being seen as a resounding victory for the miners.

Margret Thatcher never forgot what happened to the Heath government and when Scargill brought out the miners on strike without a ballot, he was on shaky ground, so thatcher adopted different tactics against the miners and this time it was the NUM who lost. The rest as they say, is history.
 
trident sam said:
So it was ok to pay hard working people lousy wages then ?
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oops! here we go again. protected jobs and wages. my wages would be 100% higher at least without cheap east European labour living 10 to a house without my outgoings. but then my tax pays them family allowance for kids in other countries! double whammy. i'll bend over and make it easier!!!!
 
Well, who's the victim now ?
My taxes go to pay for exactly the same as yours, do you think I like it !
It would have been ludicrous to have casual labour in the mines so of course the jobs would be protected, oh and because you're wages were no good, does that mean other peoples should be ?
we are both on the same side for God's sake
 
trident sam said:
Well, who's the victim now ?
My taxes go to pay for exactly the same as yours, do you think I like it !
It would have been ludicrous to have casual labour in the mines so of course the jobs would be protected, oh and because you're wages were no good, does that mean other peoples should be ?
we are both on the same side for God's sake
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sort of Sam. but I want my taxes and jobs going to Brits who contributed. The miners had the worst job imaginable. I know I would have struggled. But when the demand ceases. You retrain. And relocate. I've lived in,Wales,Scotland and France.Not boasting. just making a point.
 
no one should have to argue about a fair wage. Just despise the fact this country went without for so long. Got through so many hard times. Just to give the benefits to foreign immigrants of all faiths and nationalities. so wrong.
 
Hey Freddie, Happy Thanksgiving! If you Brits had a day off for every country you raped and pillaged you'd never have to work!
Bahahaa
 
freddie1105 said:
sort of Sam. but I want my taxes and jobs going to Brits who contributed. The miners had the worst job imaginable. I know I would have struggled. But when the demand ceases. You retrain. And relocate. I've lived in,Wales,Scotland and France.Not boasting. just making a point.
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I absolutely agree that the country should look after their own and I get so angry when
I see non contributors benefiting from our payments
 
freddie1105 said:
no one should have to argue about a fair wage. Just despise the fact this country went without for so long. Got through so many hard times. Just to give the benefits to foreign immigrants of all faiths and nationalities. so wrong.
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Do you think the top end of town should have to argue for a fair profit ? In Australia, most of the large corporations do not even pay tax. If intellectual property is owned off-shore, it can be used to justify profit-shifting for tax avoidance purposes. Most scientists work either for the government or large corporations. The IP they create usually ends up being owned offshore, but who pays for the scientists' education ?
 

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