Peel's potential power peak?

ok the smiths gauge I have gives oil temp in bulk ie in the tank. Its been fitted virtually from new ie 1972. The most surprising thing is how long it takes oil to come up to working temperature ie circa 70 -80 centigrade . Around 15 miles of brisk riding in heavy London Traffic.Worth thinking about if you want max power cos you wont get it with cold oil. And of course it gives instant reasurance all is well when tanking down the motorway, but presumably your interest is the drag strip. I used to have an engine temperature not oil temp gauge. it had a sender unit connected electrically to the gauge head. Of American manufacture , the sender simply being bolted onto metal , not tapped into an oilway. Will pm you if any of it survives

Ok oldmildew, past Ms Peel ultralight aircraft guages cht, egt, oil, vac learned me all about Combat themal flows peaks and rates of changes. Peel's against the grain hi Comp boost combo that need to be cautious on pump gas with rather tame ign curve or pingbangboom. So, boost triggered solenoids dump anti detonation fluids for 112+ octane into impeller boosting its density efficiency as 2nd ign curve snaps full torq adv >>>???
til either engine combusts or pilot melts from heat pile up.
Online calculators drive a shade tree squirrely.
IIRC- yrs ago with jaw gritting depression
btu's of Combat max, ~145,000, Peel peak ~360,000/hr = 60,000/min. What would you do next, if sticking to 91 nolead?

745 watts = 1 hp work, over what ever time unit, so do the math. Poor space heaters take hours.

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You could look for drag strips in Alaska .how about carefully designed exhaust lock nuts with improved air penetration. Irving talks about this and whilst about it , get them made in silver. Superior heat dissipation. AMC thought of silver heads for the porcupine but it proved too expensive. Or silver barrels if you have got a sufficiently big stash of silver dollars.

Alrighty oldmikew! That's the creative spirit i want Peel to inspire. Silver Bullets like the Lone Ranger + cross cut tips to expand thru vampires.

Age 20 snagged 1st cycle a couple years after twice National level class champ mid 10's 1/4 mile '68 P!! frame extended & forks cut for 2" lower stance so likely got as much-more launch practice in more dangerous public conditions than about anyone. Rocket and Trimuph Triples would never take my bait after one blip up startled them on chance traffic meetings. Only triple 2 smokers would. P!! teenager inherited it and had
tri-smoker already and P!! only fired on one jug, litterally stole it $300 + small cocaine chunk given me, never tasted, to sweeten the deal as he had a head cold at the time. Tri-smokers would pull up rev up then snick to bottom and take off then I'd snick 3rd or 2nd - float front level to pass while they were peddling gears like crazy. W/o a drag slick had to be careful not to smoke rear into flat tracker sliding till in 4th about 70 mph. Tack marked 9000 rpm I reached routinely so easy equivalent to best Norton engines ever fielded.

Had 2 Nortons = could not thoughtlessly snick gears with hi throttle or would spin tire noisely delaying thrust. P!! had big chrome kill button on L grip so tech was WOT to top out - tap button/shift/release for only an instant of front touch down bounce back floating level all mass on rear patch leap ahead.

Best road going elites can barely hit low 10 sec 1/4 m so Peel needs to break into up 9's to be quicker and gain so much in turns their extra wheelie limited hp will not be enough to catch in opens before next leaning part cripples their chances.

A thermal image was posted years ago showing the hottest areas, all around the exhaust port duh. Air craft have devious baffle covers over fins to force air path for better cooling, Peel may too around front 2/3'd of engine and scoop on top of head to force more flow through head. Made an air scoop on Drouin case to flow through its belt drive then primary case out the big cut outs at rear of case for various devices/clearances.

Blue color is air filter element enclosed by scoop, tiddy enough to need pointing out yet big enough to matter.
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Mz Peel has alu billet exhaust rose nuts for less mass more heat dump. I think could tolerate tighter/slower tracks like Barbers as is but would need tricks on longer opens tracks. Will water spray engine for long fast tracks. For all out salt lake event would also have to pack dry ice around head and blower and cases. Water / methanol help cool combustion significantly by steam engine assist dumping more heat out the exhaust so expect public use is already adequate as only instants of high power survival able.

"Best road going elites can barely hit low 10 sec 1/4 m so Peel needs to break into up 9's to be quicker and gain so much in turns their extra wheelie limited hp will not be enough to catch in opens before next leaning part cripples their chances."

Time has moved on Steve. Bikes like my 160 bhp 05 Daytona 955 are capable of low to mid tens.
Today's crop of litre Superbikes are all above 200 bhp and run in the high 9s, 140 mph +

They just get faster and faster.

Glen

On Potter's bike no clutch could stand up to the torque of the Hilborn fuel injected Chevy V8. He ran a direct chain drive from the crank to the rear wheel through a jack shaft. He had a prop stand under the rear wheel. Launch technique was to rev the engine on the stand and when the light flashed kick the stand out from underneath it. He often smoked the rear tire the entire quarter mile. Hence the qoute "ready,fire,aim.

Yep Sir Glen fully aware of new fangled wheelie prone cycle sprint capabilities, hehe, if 'puter robot protecting pilots. For standing starts contests may have to fit 16" chopper wheel like TC does his 850. My whole life been under dog surprises so seek the heat of street fights & track show downs. Ever pull wheelie snicking redline shift on a modern at 120 mph, hobot has so know its not enough G's to match next Peel.

Red neck dare devil direct committed way to launch, always inspires me to mimic feat, maybe by air muscle stand snatcher. P!! did not need brake to just rev up dump clutch to run through gears to 9000 w/o moving a bike length.

Peel will have Peter Williams type handling advantage against more powerful faster cycles plus repeating Hole Shot Device. hobot roadholders have 6" travel/2" about factory stance with valve spring spacer so hope to use air gizmo to suck 2" lower than factory like my old P!!.

Rub it in Wortorn, Peel in one aspect or another will always be out gunned by 50 yrs hardware & 'robotized advancements, if limiting to specialized ideal conditions. More power to them for generally safer thrills. I only expect Peel to be the funnest safest quickest doing everything very well cycle in or out of digitally applied traction control spikes ever fielded by mankind. Want to beat any street legal/practical bike in 1/4m, pull good to 160 and not slow down nearly as much for leans over 46' and stop as short or shorter w/o stoppie limits.

Fact is, its counter productive for me to watch elite road racers, which acotrel Al has the best quote about. paraphrased - Bad cycles only teach fatiqing skill holding back/recovering crashes, while a good cycle incites pilot into repeated secure G force orgasms.

I'm hi G force tested delighted tunnel visioned light headed acrobatic air craft tolerant in powerful WWII fighter Corsair fixed wing and crop dusting Porsche like rotor craft, tunnel hull race boat salom skier tolerant to bull whip snapped sharp wrist stretching breath taking accelerations over white caps tips buzz- missing lower ones for smoother control til slung off surface by G force like a rock on string around head, to skip like a rock cracking ribs at each impact till neck broke plunged under through boat wake, but peak G's orgasms I can't get out my bones was past Ms Peel pulling Phase Three and Phase Four handling in 10 mph turns too sharp for trucks with bluff faces and railing drop offs as apexes in switch back chicanes shockingly suddenly needing harder breath forcing to stave off tunnel vision dimming to black out and still could not move eye lens muscles fast enough to keep a clear focus on next zooming rocks/rails apex climax. This was right after the MX * trial bikes raw Mt. fun and games surprising deer clusters bashing through over head saplings in deeper woods than they dared or capable of.

I tease thee not on what ya missing out before ya die.

Hobot,
Once saw George Brown's Super Nero ... it had just one gauge ..boost .. very functional and serious kit. ( blown vincent and GB a bloke to reckon with. He got the sack for waltzing brand new Vincents across the works yard by power slides) Wonder if gauges will be of much use to you cos by the time the information has got back , the motor will ,if somethings wrong .have blown..
Though not a great Dunstall fan there is something he says inhis tuning manual that might be of interest.. He reduced the size of the feed gears on the oil pump to lessen the amount of oil in circulation..This is in the tuning manual whether he did that on his bikes is a different question, but the point being the advantage would be a reduction of oil drag on the flywheels..
When Peel crosses the line there is probably only oil vapour in the cases . but what about the first 100yards or so? Peter Williams did experiment with fitting Leyland A series pump to the F750 racers.. chain driven where the old magneto used to be on Atlas cases.. The idea was to put up BMEP by super scavanging .. But there are a whole raft of possibilities here .. If you have the means of delivery and of scavanging ,why not an oil feed to the barrels to help out those very stressed out pistons.. Have you tried steel pistons ?
And why no fan to pull out dead hot air

George Brown's Super Nero, Yikes! so loves to fiddle as it burns up Rome!

hehe, I'm 'familiar' with tire smoke states to tell ya a launch like that is actually easiest/comfy way to avoid wheelie and feather off for hook up risks. This is another thing over power kix reveal, reversed controls. In many drag races must back off power before going quicker. I've leaped and bounced and flat tracked a big ole Indian Chief in Fla. sand rut paths in surprised ease of handling, so may not be as impressed as others, more re-stimulated to do it some more.

Seriously wonder if I'm up to similar antics and control. I've had a few over powered things to know they can incite throttle twitches that over respond.

Peel needs all oil flow factory pump can deliver to carry heat out the friction surfaces but not to bulk cool engine as most conceive oil coolling. I'm up on piston oil coolling jets but Norton pump is ONLY capable of supplying factory components. comnoz put tiny holes in cam lobes to end up having to make ~1/3 larger pump to maybe get a benefit of seeming great idea, beyond most the rest of us. Next time Peel cases split for inspection I'l have rods big end tops notched for oil jets at piston crowns same as my hard worked vintage lawnmower for a bit more cooling help.

I'm a long fan of Dunstall performance experiments, especially exhausts and aero dynamics inside and outside engine. Peel OIF is sealed to atmosphere with only vent being in 2-1 exhaust sucker/"Eductor" so expect to have to valve restrict it sucking of oil out megaphone. Tap will be top of TS case so may be able to also vent fresh air into head helping flow oil out of it before over heating. I expect Peel to run decent vaccum in cases so nil air molecules to create oil cloud fog collision resistance, just spray out rods lubing cam and immediate fall to sump, low windage losses and slight refrigerant effect flashing off moisture and other gases.

Note: by far oil gets hottest in head so Peel's fin cooler in line with that but realize Peel has oneinarow OIF using spine and all of both frame loops as oil paths so may even have to insulate spine to get temps to boiling.

Super nero gave over 120 bhp.. back in the 60s that was just unreal.. Still think silver would be a good idea -it has twice the conductivity of aluminium though it might have to be alloyed to improve its strength.. The exhaust rocker covers would look and stay cool!
So you have pressure fed cam ? then I would definately double pump it otherwise you are going to get flywheel drag. One for the bottom end and then the A series or whatever to pressure feed and cool the head scavenge it dirrect from the drain hole

Peel has standard Norton internal oil system which if not enough to support what I want Peel to do - then over a decade $10's 1000's after life set back events - will fail to perform and blow up or kill me quickly.

Only thing Peel lacks from Maney 920 100 hp engine is his extra large port head. Hopefully over ported small-ish chamber 750 Combat head will flow enough to approach this helped by boost.

Peel may have biggest effective squish band area fielded but don't know if matters or not.

I twice over lost my respect for elite fastso tire puter controlled moderns, 1st they get stupid unpredicable taking fun turns, 2nd they can't even keep up with mere decent Combat power to 90's mph d/t being wheelie prone. More than once had very angry sport elites try to beat Peel into a narrow turn entry to see them rear up and fall behind in peripheral vision so rest of Peel glee was solo out of their sight in first real turn they stood no chance to ever recover. So easy to beat cycles have not been Peel targets for a long time but only thing yoose vintage and modern cripples can relate too.

Steve, can i just interrupt your musings to tell you how great it is to have you posting again. Difficult to read but always provocative and thought provoking
Terry

Up lifting words Terry
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