part numbers - handlebars, UK vs european and old britts vs AN (2019)

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my 74 Mk2 came with two sets of handlebars - one, a "norman hyde" part that is close to the UK or European handle bars - close, but no cigar! I'm having issues with front brake MC and hose interference and clutch cable routing. the other set is an aftermarket - half way between the western style and the hi-rider. the norman hyde part seems to be 3 inches narrower - pull back seems correct, but the rise might be off.

ANYWAY, i'd like to get the correct UK style handle bars. old britts list the "factory norton" part number as 64132 on one page, and 64123 on another (the 2 and 3 seems to be switched - typo ???). when I go to the AN site, they list the "European" number as 64887 (no UK reference), but it also list 65748 as a European number). what's the difference between UK and European?

https://andover-norton.co.uk/en/shop-details/16622

https://www.oldbritts.com/70_20.html

my understanding is old britts is a U.S. vendor or distributor for AN parts.

would like to order the correct "factory" part - confused and needing a little help - :confused:

thanks in advance....
 
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joe czech said:
ANYWAY, i'd like to get the correct UK style handle bars. old britts list the "factory norton" part number as 64132 on one page, and 64123 on another (the 2 and 3 seems to be switched - typo ???). when I go to the AN site, they list the "European" number as 64887 (no UK reference), but it also list 65748 as a European number). what's the difference between UK and European?
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For 850 Mk2/Mk2A the US bar was 061046 (Semi-Western).

064887 for 'Europe' (inc. UK) superceded by 065748 (850 Mk3).

part numbers - handlebars, UK vs european and old britts vs AN (2019)
 
063170 European/UK 750 Interstate ('72) handlebar.
064123* European/UK ('73) 750 & 850 Mk1 Interstate handlebar.

*(according to the parts book, 064132 according to AN)
 
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thanks L.A.B. that clears things up and another piece of the puzzle. ordered up 64887/65748 from AN. ;)
 
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I was thinking wtf are those part numbers until I realized you were leaving off the leading zero.
 
Joe,
Here is a picture of the original (p/n 064887) 1974 Norton European specification handlebar that I removed from my 850 Mark IIA Interstate. This handlebar is 26 inches wide with a 3 3/4 inch total height and a 3 1/4 inch total pull back. I thought I would give you these dimensions so you could use them to compare with your new replacement handlebar.

part numbers - handlebars, UK vs european and old britts vs AN (2019)


When this handlebar was installed on the bike the clutch and choke cable routed naturally. However, the master cylinder was a totally different story. Adjusting the brake lever angle was very limited because the master cylinder/brake switch banged into the riser portion of the handlebar. Believe it or not, with this handlebar the brake hose used was not the shortest one that was available. The hose routed up and inside the area of the top steering yoke thus requiring a little longer hose. So if your new handlebar is wider, I would not be inclined to cut them any shorter for that reason. There's probably a good reason why Norton only used that handlebar part number for one season.



Peter Joe
 
Is there a reference for the dimensions of these various versions of handlebars? I have a 1972 Interstate that I would like to get new bars for. I can't be sure from the photos if the 06-3170 is what I need (or what is currently on the bike). It was originally sold in UK by Taylor Matterson, but has been in US for a long time and appears to have had several changes over the years. Why are there different versions for US and Europe?
 
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I was thinking wtf are those part numbers until I realized you were leaving off the leading zero.
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sorry -- if this helps, add as required - 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 :D
PeterJoe said:
Joe,
Here is a picture of the original (p/n 064887) 1974 Norton European specification handlebar that I removed from my 850 Mark IIA Interstate. This handlebar is 26 inches wide with a 3 3/4 inch total height and a 3 1/4 inch total pull back. I thought I would give you these dimensions so you could use them to compare with your new replacement handlebar.

part numbers - handlebars, UK vs european and old britts vs AN (2019)


When this handlebar was installed on the bike the clutch and choke cable routed naturally. However, the master cylinder was a totally different story. Adjusting the brake lever angle was very limited because the master cylinder/brake switch banged into the riser portion of the handlebar. Believe it or not, with this handlebar the brake hose used was not the shortest one that was available. The hose routed up and inside the area of the top steering yoke thus requiring a little longer hose. So if your new handlebar is wider, I would not be inclined to cut them any shorter for that reason. There's probably a good reason why Norton only used that handlebar part number for one season.



Peter Joe
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thanks for the reply. I do not know what was original, as delivered, on my Mk2. one thing I noticed, my brake hose, and I believe it's original, is approximately 35-36" long (see pic - note Lockheed label and Part Number and the molded date code (8-74)) the hose seemed excessively long for either UK or western handle bars. when installed, it came off the MC, and did a loop-de-loop thing before going to the brake caliper. I convinced myself, something wasn't right. anyway, ordered up a 06.4887/06.5748 handlebar from AN. i'll compare it to your dimensions. also, I have a new venhill braided stainless brake hose - it's approximately 25 inches long. i'll have to install everything when I get the euro/UK bars and see how things fit and route. I may have to play around with the hose length for a proper fit - ;)

part numbers - handlebars, UK vs european and old britts vs AN (2019)
 
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OK now I'm good with the 0s.
I'm going from EU bars back to stock US bars which I still have. The US bar brake cable should be 28" or so. I was about to contact Venhill about a new hose because the one I have is 24" and will need to be stock US length . Stainless hose of unrememberable origin installed in late 70's so time for a new one anyway. There should be no loop de loop. Maybe someone before you was into apehangers.
Russ
 
from the above AN site, it seems that my original hose part number 06.3540 - 34" hose. if it was original and the bike originally had semi-western handlebars, then as PeterJoe stated, "The hose routed up and inside the area of the top steering yoke thus requiring a little longer hose." when I bought the bike, it had the aftermarket, norman hyde, UK style handlebars with the 34 in hose, thus the loop-de-loop thing. question to batrider - with the EU bars, did the venhill 24 inch hose work together, that is, route correctly without issues? ;)
 
I would think a 45 degree banjo coming down in front of the MC might work better than how this is routed?
 
on All my bikes- Model 7, ES2, 650SS, Atlas Fastback and the Mk3 I am currently building plus my recently sold Mk2A I have used 06-1046 type bend which is extremely comfortable, I have recommended this bend to a number of my Norton riding friends that were complaining about the un comfortability of their rides, every one who fitted this bar was extremely happy.
 
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