Oops.. dont take TS/SCI docs home after you get fired...

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Oops...dont bring home nuclear weapons documents and violate the Espionage Act.

There are different levels of security clearance, ranging from confidential to top secret. TS/SCI is one of the highest levels of security clearance, meaning that anyone who has this level of clearance has access to highly sensitive information ("need to know"). Often, the type of data that someone with a TS/SCI clearance might access involves national security.

Check out item 2A on page 6

 
gortnipper said:
Oops...dont bring home nuclear weapons documents and violate the Espionage Act.

There are different levels of security clearance, ranging from confidential to top secret. TS/SCI is one of the highest levels of security clearance, meaning that anyone who has this level of clearance has access to highly sensitive information ("need to know"). Often, the type of data that someone with a TS/SCI clearance might access involves national security.

Check out item 2A on page 6

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Hate to ruin your excitement... but all the documents were "declassified" as per a presidential standing order...This practice was also used by Bush and Obama
 
I get that it is common practice.

A U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.

It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.

Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

Former Trump administration officials have claimed that Trump previously declassified the documents taken with him to Mar-a-Lago, but that the classification markings had not been updated.

"The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," former Trump defense official Kash Patel told Breitbart in May, regarding other material that had earlier been removed from Mar-a-Lago. "I was there with President Trump when he said 'We are declassifying this information.'"

It does not appear that the documents in question were actually declassified, despite the claims.

Words are cheap.
 
gortnipper said:
I get that it is common practice.

A U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.

It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.

Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

Former Trump administration officials have claimed that Trump previously declassified the documents taken with him to Mar-a-Lago, but that the classification markings had not been updated.

"The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," former Trump defense official Kash Patel told Breitbart in May, regarding other material that had earlier been removed from Mar-a-Lago. "I was there with President Trump when he said 'We are declassifying this information.'"

It does not appear that the documents in question were actually declassified, despite the claims.

Words are cheap.
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Well I guess the practice that was implemented by E.Os by Bush and Obama are cheap words too ?
 
KiwiShane said:
Well I guess the practice that was implemented by E.Os by Bush and Obama are cheap words too ?
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That is not logical.

If the process is followed, I get a valid WOF from the authorized agent. It is written, filed and I get documentation.

If the authorized agent says, "your vehicle is safe, I give you a WOF" and doesn't do the paperwork and the cops stop me, do I have WOF? No I guilty of a violation and i get a ticket.
 
"The president of the United States and only the president of the United States has a unique authority when it comes to classification and declassification. The president is the ultimate authority, without scrutiny or any oversight, of what is classified and what is declassified. He can share properly classified information with anyone he wants with impunity. No one can oversee it. That’s his constitutional authority under Article II. But if you do choose to move to declassify something, there are procedures and security-classification rules as to how you do so. It can’t be as simple as Trump looking at a box of documents and saying, “I declare them declassified.”

Every single document has to be specifically identified, and a procedure has to be followed to declassify it, because every single classified document is logged. The way it works is that you have a cover page that indicates the classification for the document. You have classification markings at the top and bottom of each page, and you have a stamp on every classified document that indicates when it was classified, by whom and under what authority in the executive order, and when the classification ends. When you declassify something, you have to address all of that for each document. Not only do you have to mark out the markings, you have to stamp it “Declassified” and say who declassified it, under what authority, and when. Until you do that, no matter what verbal order Trump may have given, the document is still to be treated as classified."
 
gortnipper said:
"The president of the United States and only the president of the United States has a unique authority when it comes to classification and declassification. The president is the ultimate authority, without scrutiny or any oversight, of what is classified and what is declassified. He can share properly classified information with anyone he wants with impunity. No one can oversee it. That’s his constitutional authority under Article II. But if you do choose to move to declassify something, there are procedures and security-classification rules as to how you do so. It can’t be as simple as Trump looking at a box of documents and saying, “I declare them declassified.”

Every single document has to be specifically identified, and a procedure has to be followed to declassify it, because every single classified document is logged. The way it works is that you have a cover page that indicates the classification for the document. You have classification markings at the top and bottom of each page, and you have a stamp on every classified document that indicates when it was classified, by whom and under what authority in the executive order, and when the classification ends. When you declassify something, you have to address all of that for each document. Not only do you have to mark out the markings, you have to stamp it “Declassified” and say who declassified it, under what authority, and when. Until you do that, no matter what verbal order Trump may have given, the document is still to be treated as classified."
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Well your hair is gonna be on fire come November and will be the end of "build back better" :) or should I say bankrupt
 
gortnipper said:
WTF does that have to do with classified US documents???
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"Classified documents"
Fresh off the leftist press derangement syndrome dont mean nothing to me....let's see how all this nonsense pans out ...ok (early days)
"Come November and the months ahead"
Because Garland and co will be subject to a full impeachment process as the left will lose the house and senate thats why..
 
Sigh.

Garland didnt make the case for the warrant, the FBI did - he reviewed and approved it.

And who put in the FBI director? Trump

And when was the Judge who signed the warrant appointed? 2018, under Trump, in Florida. (Which is so left wing deraged)

And who signed the 2018 law that made the potential charges around unclassified document removal (not the Espionage part) here a felony because previously they had a beef against Hillary? Trump

Deranged law breakers come on the Left and the Right.
 
I had a federal documents course in uni, or rather several of them. What surprised me was the laws that demand this or that concerning them were routinely ignored especially by Congress. So much of the law is just hand waving and grandstanding, the
meat and potatoes of politics. Increasing age has left me with a strong distaste for the party system and lack of any faith in
government. Do you best to avoid any contact and save your voting energy at election time of your local school board.
 
On a tangentially related note, Trump pleaded the Fifth more than 440 times during his deposition Wednesday. Trump's attorney Ron Fischetti said Trump answered only one question: what his name is.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.
 
It seems to me that neither side of the political fence is going to give an inch to the other. Prescription for sad times ahead I fear.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Here we go with another endless, and pointless, US politics thread…

I’ll give you guys 48hrs before before the handbags start flying and LAB locks y’all down …!
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This is like a black hole, it keeps trying to suck me in so I write, consider, delete. Time to unwatch this thread!
 
Fast Eddie said:
Here we go with another endless, and pointless, US politics thread…

I’ll give you guys 48hrs before before the handbags start flying and LAB locks y’all down …!
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I know why they're all so pissed, I remember reading of the confiscation of their personal freedoms. Here are images never shown on BBC & CNN
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I would be pissed too, and I'm pissed on behalf of those who realize they were robbed of those precious personal freedoms.
Oops.. dont take TS/SCI docs home after you get fired...
Oops.. dont take TS/SCI docs home after you get fired...
 
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