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rvich said:
Would the gearbox have also had the 20M3S prefix? And the frame tag as well?
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No, I don't think so.

rvich said:
I guess what I was trying to say is that I doubt that number comes from a standard 850 production run. But I have read about stranger things here! It is of course entirely possible that the numbers on the entire bike are faked.
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Or maybe the 153*** serial numbers were used on a batch of police or military Interpol models for some reason, however that's simply a guess.
Brooking850 hasn't as yet, mentioned if the engine and gearbox numbers include the Norton factory limit stamps at each end (three horizontal lines inside a circle) or not?
 
Hi Guys, thanks for the feed back, can't get to it unti 6th Jan then I will confirm one way or the other, every thing else all ties up to '73 model except the numbers . Headstock tag, cases and gearbox have the same numbers as I have a 'car jam ' report from 6 months ago that shows them all.
It could well be an ex police model , got an $80 NZD speeding ticket a while back on my way to see Paul Bryant at Viking Exhausts, cop was old fart saying he first started in the force on a Norton and was all over it mine , but wouldn't let me off even for nostalgic reasons!!!
So could well be a police model , although as I remember mates Triumphs had a 'P' in amongst the engine numbers when the fleets were sold off to the public.
Regards Mike
 
The pre oil tube frame Triump Cop Bikes were generally TR6P ' Saint ' . Bloke let of by the cop who recond it was ' His ' old bike . They generally ignored / liked that bike . Karma ? . Was stolen after a rebuild . Red with white seat . yes . . we . .
what do you expect .

Westom Webb in Otahuhu had the Cop maintanance Contract . All the late ones were Bonnevilles . They were overhauled ,
reprayed and flogged off ( excuse expression ) A outfitt worked for did , I think , Turball & Jones jobs ( Engineering/
Design ) There warehouse at Avondale had all the Bikes in it , Around 77 . Somebody cut a ' door hole ' in the concrete block wall one night , and buggered off when the security patrol came past . Wasnt found untill next morning , as he hadnt noticed .
Theyed had a few Commandos , mainly on the motorway patrols by that stage ( Commando Era . )

Id think its just a ' Jeffersons Axe . 5 new heads , 10 new handles. Never mind the cases .Triumps had the ' year & month '
recorded on the castings .
 
Booking, can't help with the numbers, but it looks pretty representative of a MK11 850. Maybe it is the photo, but the fork trees look like they are alloy. And the light brackets and speedo & tacho housing are different to normal. 850 S & T housings should be satin black finish, and headlamp ears are normally chrome.
But a nice looking machine to complement your other bike, I bet you can't wait to get back home to get into it?

Cheers Richard
 
Hi Guys,
yes see the painted headlamp ears, could
ve also been a cheap way out of re chroming as they do tend to rust in the innner side, my current one is like that , light rust I mean, I will know as soon as I get a good look at. As Matt S pointed out in a PM, if it is a bitsa, could be the best of what was available at the time.
It was mentioned about the cirlce with wave lines it at either end of the case numbers, there are no sign of the those on my first bike(avatar) I have as well. Was that stamped on all the bikes or just a fad for a few years?
Regards Mike
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Brooking 850 said:
It was mentioned about the cirlce with wave lines it at either end of the case numbers, there are no sign of the those on my first bike(avatar) I have as well. Was that stamped on all the bikes or just a fad for a few years?
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They started doing that from around mid 1973, so 302822 is probably too early to have them.
 
Thanks LAB, still doesn't solve the 15xxxx numbers though !!! I will have to wait on that one once I collect it.
hey Matt I love they way the back hub was painted!!!!
looks like something I would expect to find in Ruatoria!!
Regards Mike
 
L.A.B. said:
Brooking 850 said:
It was mentioned about the cirlce with wave lines it at either end of the case numbers, there are no sign of the those on my first bike(avatar) I have as well. Was that stamped on all the bikes or just a fad for a few years?
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They started doing that from around mid 1973, so 302822 is probably too early to have them.
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My 1973 matching numbers 850 Commando #30587_ , build date 7/73, does not have any markings either side of the engine number.....plain Jane.

So add that to this discussion regarding when they started adding the "globe" to the engine #...... :?

Ray
 
L.A.B. said:
rvich said:
Would the gearbox have also had the 20M3S prefix? And the frame tag as well?
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No, I don't think so.

rvich said:
I guess what I was trying to say is that I doubt that number comes from a standard 850 production run. But I have read about stranger things here! It is of course entirely possible that the numbers on the entire bike are faked.
Click to expand...


Or maybe the 153*** serial numbers were used on a batch of police or military Interpol models for some reason, however that's simply a guess.
Brooking850 hasn't as yet, mentioned if the engine and gearbox numbers include the Norton factory limit stamps at each end (three horizontal lines inside a circle) or not?
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I think you've just solved it. A police/military numbering system would fit. Police ones would have had a conventional registration and number plate, but military ones, certainly in the UK, would have had a military plate and would be re-registered for civilian sale.
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and, heck, it was quick - hit 4000 rpm and just went hyperspace... and still haven't fully worked out why 34 years on. Really ought to strip the old girl down and investigate.
 
dillinghamp said:
I think you've just solved it.
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If LAB says that was simply a guess, and you wholeheartedly endorse that, with NOTHING to verfiy it, then we are just grasping at straws here ??
Maybe some of the number stamps went awol, and they used the next closest thing.
Or there is a neat sequence of numbers in the book, but that has gone awol

??
 
Rohan said:
dillinghamp said:
I think you've just solved it.
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If LAB says that was simply a guess, and you wholeheartedly endorse that, with NOTHING to verfiy it, then we are just grasping at straws here ??
Maybe some of the number stamps went awol, and they used the next closest thing.
Or there is a neat sequence of numbers in the book, but that has gone awol

??
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I wouldn't say nothing - please have a really close look at the photos and then tell me which way you think the EVIDENCE might point....
 
dillinghamp said:
please have a really close look at the photos and then tell me which way you think the EVIDENCE might point....
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Evidence and conclusions can be 2 entirely different things.

Especially on this forum AND in respect of Nortons !
 
My step brother was M.O.T in the very early 1970's on.
I only remember (I used to wash them) him riding 650 Triumphs and 750 Norton's before the CB750 was issued,just saying.
 
Although it doesn't resolve the issue of which numbers are correct or in the right numerical order, this will solve the problem which ever way I decide to go with the race bike engine!!!
REgards Mike
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