New laws in Australia gone mad

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100,000 Australian soldiers died fighting two world wars so we would have the right to vote. If you don't vote you throw their sacrifice back in there faces. Our army has always been based on volunteers, conscription for military service is the ultimate obscenity when fighting for democracy.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/21298688 ... an/?cmp=fb

The Queensland Law Society, the state's peak body for solicitors, called on Mr Newman to reconsider his comments, with president Ian Brown describing them as deeply concerning.
"It is entirely inappropriate to suggest that, as a profession, solicitors are, for want of a better term, hired guns," he told AAP.
"Comments such as 'lawyers or solicitors are hired guns' and that 'solicitors will say and do anything to defend their clients', those kind of comments relate to the entirely of the legal profession - solicitors and barristers alike."
Mr Brown said the premier's comments undermined the legal assumption that someone was innocent until proven guilty, adding that this implied solicitors were breaching their fundamental duty to the court.
Peter Davis, the president of the Queensland Bar Association, also took a swipe at the premier, saying his comments were "misconceived, unfair and objectionable".
"Defence lawyers play an important and integral role in the administration of justice ... ensuring fairness and justice to those so accused," he said in a statement.
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Rohan said:
Don't know how we got into this strange diversion, but you may recall Alan that aussie conscripts died in Vietnam.
Perhaps your politcal agenda has conveniently forgotten this.... ?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal ... 2cz0x.html

They were too young to vote too....
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You are correct. My friend was the first Aussie to die there. The Liberal party can thank God that he wasn't a conscript. because I'd be in politics right now, and extremely unfriendly. I spent most of my working life making weapons - I rationalise that in my own way.
The conscription for 'nam was sold as national service. My friend was regular army.
 
acotrel said:
.Our army has always been based on volunteers, conscription for military service is the ultimate obscenity when fighting for democracy.
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An army based on volunteers is even more perverse than one based on onscription .
Under conscription there are objective rules why or why not someone has to serve .
Under a volonteer system , nationalistic propaganda and social pressure is such , that , if you did not enlist for whatever reason , you where a social outcast forever ..:

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You clearly don't know the history of the Australian army in the two world wars and how they are regarded by the public. The conscription issue has an effect to this day, and religion is mixed up in it.
 
acotrel said:
You clearly don't know the history of the Australian army in the two world wars ..
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Well , what I DO know is that 1000's of your compatriots are burried in my back yard ( Flanders fields ) .
Young ,misguided idiots , shipped to the other side of the world to serve as cannon fodder ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... _Australia

Always the good guys ?
Always with God on your side ?
Always fighting for democracy ?

This is Ieper ( Ypres ) , one of our oldes cities in 1918 :

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Can you show me a similar picture of an Austalian city ?
I believe YOU know shit about history ..
 
Ludwig, I believe that you're slighting millions of men and their reasons for fighting. The idea that those who volunteered during two world wars comprised only idiotic cannon fodder, I find quite frankly offensive. Many of them were educated, principled men who felt that there was a rotten job which simply had to be done. Few of them enjoyed it and most went back to normal lives afterwards.

As Burke said; "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

You might well consider that Flanders would be a better place today if the descendants of Kaiser Bill or Old Adolf and their conscript armies still held sway but were I to find myself in the same position in which my father found himself in 1942 or his father in 1914, I hope that I would have the strength of character to 'do something'.
 
Thanks 79X100, well said sir.

Ludwig we Aussies fought for the Commonwealth or Empire as it was called then. We have only once fought for our country on our own soil and that was the defence of Darwin. Darwin was levelled in ongoing bombing raids that far exceeded that dumped upon Pearl Harbour. Please feel free to research that history. It was an eye-opener to me when I recently visited the city - I had no idea how much damage was done and how long it went on for. My grandfather was gassed on the Western Front but was still fit enough to serve in WW2. I knew him well and he was no idiot. He was patriotic and believed in Empire and I'll thank you not to insult the service he performed.

I think this area has been well explored perhaps and it might be good if this thread could steer back in the general direction of its topic.
 
79x100 said:
Ludwig, I believe that you're slighting millions of men and their reasons for fighting..
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I vistited the cemetaries many times , and I can only feel pity for the dead .
What really makes me puke is the glorifying , the political and now commercial exploitation of their suffering .
I refuse to think in terms of good guys versus bad guys .
It is never that simple .
Don't forget that in both world wars , it was England and France who declared war on Germany .
And before vounting that 'you' where fighting for Democacy , look at your allies and their track record first ..
History is the whore of the victorious ..



( part of ) Australian and NZ cemetary in Zonnebeke ( Polygon) :
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Now we are really getting off track here. this needs to stop now.
I have been a keen follower of the anti bikie law thread. so have lots of others by the popularity of posts and views. this is now degenerating into a shit fight over ideaology and the second world war . war will always stir passions. let it go.
the moderators have been very understanding in letting this thread stay here. if this descends into a personal shit fight about the second world war, then Les, please get rid of this now.
anti bikie laws may affect Norton riders, but this is now out of line.
Go back to the anti bikie laws and keep this thread going.
if debate over wider philosophies are really wanted, I am sure there are other forums available that cater to these topics.

Ride Safe Bradley
 
B.Rad said:
Now we are really getting off track here. this needs to stop now.
I have been a keen follower of the anti bikie law thread. so have lots of others by the popularity of posts and views. this is now degenerating into a shit fight over ideaology and the second world war . war will always stir passions. let it go.
the moderators have been very understanding in letting this thread stay here. if this descends into a personal shit fight about the second world war, then Les, please get rid of this now.
anti bikie laws may affect Norton riders, but this is now out of line.
Go back to the anti bikie laws and keep this thread going.
if debate over wider philosophies are really wanted, I am sure there are other forums available that cater to these topics.

Ride Safe Bradley
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Why stop now ?
almost 400 replies in this thread , whith NO Commando content on a Commando forum ..
@ Davamb : about Darwin :
attacked only AFTER Australia declared war on Japan ..
 
I don't actually think that this thread has ever belonged in the Commando section I'd venture to suggest though that the whole thread has in fact been about standing up against totalitarian ideology.
 
79x100 said:
I don't actually think that this thread has ever belonged in the Commando section I'd venture to suggest though that the whole thread has in fact been about standing up against totalitarian ideology.
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If anyone really wanted to make a point about said issues, well, mission accomplished. Now quite clogging the servers. Were into the forth month already. One bad turn after another. The only winner here is the tissue factory. Boo freaking hoo. Deal with it already will ya.

Do you realize the original post has chimed in a grand total of 3 time. That much less than 1%.

Are there anyone who can help? hint hint

Summer is coming to a close down there, maybe it will hibernate.
 
pete.v said:
79x100 said:
Summer is coming to a close down there, maybe it will hibernate.
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No it's not. Today its forecast to be 42 degrees C, that's about 105 degrees F.
At the moment it's 11am, and the temperature is 37degrees.

Sorry to take this thread off on yet another thread....
cheers
wakeup
 
My comment was about authoritarianism, that is what the anti-bikie laws are about - subverting democracy. The whole thing will pass when the Liberal party self-destructs.
 
acotrel said:
My comment was about authoritarianism, that is what the anti-bikie laws are about - subverting democracy. The whole thing will pass when the Liberal party self-destructs.
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Which appears to be long before this thread will end.
 
Might look that way, however the response to the May budget is yet to come. The Libs have reverted to form and are right back into union bashing - they create their own problems. It is like what having the Tea Party in power would be in the US - just rabid right wing idiots. However some of our voters need the lesson. Accusations have been made about bikie gangs doing stand-over for the construction unions, and the Libs are claiming that the Cole Royal Commission a few years ago found evidence of widespread corruption in the construction unions - A LIE. No charges were ever laid as a result of that inquiry.
 
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