Milk of Magnesia for my exhaust ring bolts.

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I'm trying to catch you all up on Commandos, but it takes awhile to cover the scope it took me a while to soak in : ) I learned this from Cdo rider who works on industrial ovens.

MOM, pink food grade antacid laxative is what ya want to put on the threads like exhaust rings and spark plugs and chug when time to pay Cdo invoices with wife keeping track : (

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I work on large, powerful GE turbines every day. Yes, it is an anitseize trick. Milk of Magnesia dries to a fine powder. This powder will not deteriorate with heat. Normal anti seize will deteriorate and disappear with time during extreme heat cycles. M.O.M. will leave an even coat that works like nothing else.
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Milk of Magnesia for my exhaust ring bolts.
 
Here we go...
Laxative you say. Praps there was some on my Crankshaft bolts because that little issue did give me the shits.
How about Nail Polish as Thread lock, read it somewhere.
Did try it once on something non Motorcycle related and it did set hard.
AC.
 
I'm playing with you all but I'm not misleading anyone on purpose.
Nail polish is great stuff for electrical terminals and marking spots but last place you want anti seize is the flywheel fasteners.

I break tools on the torque levels bad experience shoved me too - I got the nerve now not to have stuff come lose on its own, but boy howdy I sure want my tight stuff loosen up when i want it too, so anti seize has more priority than locktite to me. Wesley's one time and done rebuilds really helped me in my comfort level to need serious anti-seize ease. Don't want to gall the threads in Al backing out out against abrasive thread lockers.

Once in a while it catches me out with a sheared fastener but its low level hassle compared to that fastener coming lose before its asked too. If a fastener fails but others don't - I just figure I found a fault ahead of time.
Your call at your particular level of Commando experience wisdom.

Milk of Magnesia for my exhaust ring bolts.
 
MOM is called out by several Turbine engine manufacturers, Pratt & Whitney, Rols Royce, Allison, Garett, Williams and others as an approved antiseize for ignitor plugs and other high heat frequently removed items. I was amazed until I read it in the Maintainance manual.
 
The main issue I found is the MOM is so thin it tends to flow right off and not leave much to anti seize. I only use it on exht rings as plugs don't get so hot the ordinary Al silvery stuff evaporates away. I will try it on boosted Ms Peel head bolts someday. I will have to creep up on tuning Ms Peel and inspecting inside often. Peel has timeserts in all case threads to ease the job and preserve the threads.
 
Another goo that works well for that is Dow Corning 340 heatsink compound. The stuff that electronics geeks use between power transistors and heatsinks. Originally developed as a hi temp antisieze. Great for your soldering iron tips too.
 
Good stuff to know but wouldn't nickel-based anti-seize do the trick. IIRC it's rated for extremely high temps, much greater than those copper- or aluminum-based anti-seizes.
 
Nickel-based anti-seize has heavy metal toxic issues MOM does not.
Nickel-based anti-seize is found cheap in any grocery store.
 
I think the point here is that no matter if you use something, everything, or nothing at all, you will still need to snug up at least twice after heating cycles.

I use a high temp anti sneeze, not to seal but to protect and lube those vulnerable threads and for a true feel of bringing the nuts home into the crush washers.

Once galled up from OVER tightening and misalignment, their toast. You don't need a lot, just a thin layer with a flux brush.

If threads that have been galled a bit, tightness is mistaken as snugged up nuts. Further pressure is applied to stop blow-by and with all feel gone, the alloy is easily destroyed. This is all too common.

Ask any reputable plumber the true nature and need for Teflon tape. Teflon is a lube, not a glue. Although we are not talking about pipe threads or Teflon tape, the logic applies.
 
hobot said:
Nickel-based anti-seize has heavy metal toxic issues MOM does not.
Nickel-based anti-seize is found cheap in any grocery store.
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Tis alright, I only lick my exhaust pipes infrequently, and then only when they're cold.... :twisted:
 
Only licked cold sounds safe enough and how much poison are our small bikes
going to leave around. Just be aware its on similar level as mercury and just skin exposure is a hazard. Ni is used to hydrogenate oil, as for cheap chips and stuff and its residues in food are a health concern. All this pales to the risks of just
getting on a cycle and forcing fused fasteners off, so pretty silly to worry about long term cancer or brain rot.

A condition caused by nickel excess, which may be due to nickel-based jewelry, resulting in contact dermatitis, or occupational, resulting in liver necrosis and pulmonary congestion; long-term nickel exposure increases the risk for nasopharygeal and lung cancer.
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I love it! Gonna have to give it a try. I even look at the siilver stuff and next thing I know its everywhere! Tools, fingernails, in my hair... hate that stuff just cuz of that.
 
I mostly use the sliver staining stuff but it don't last in the exht rings. I've had exhaust come loose at hwy speed and have about broken the ring trying to get some off. Trixie has brass ones and Peel Al ones.
I will spend some time waiting for the MOM to set up some layers before nip up.
 
hobot said:
MOM, pink food grade antacid laxative is what ya want to put on the threads like exhaust rings
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Laxative ?
Beware quack medical advice here , MoM has quite the opposite effect. !!
Its antacid. (Epsom salts might be a different matter, but that is not MoM).

For sealing exhaust joints good, I use that muffler putty stuff in little tins.
Smear it on, slip the pipes together and then run briefly to warm it up, then leave for a day if possible. Sets like a rock - make sure your zorst is all lined up and fitted where it needs to be. be prepared to chip it off if you need to move something though.

P.S. In quantity, MoM would probably do the same !
 
I am playing with you all but I'm not misleading anyone. MOM is often used for loose bowels but its also a saline-electrolyte laxative - stool softener to liquidizer.

If my Command had to stay together as long as a cage's exhaust system or sewer and plumbing pipes, something that needed chipping out to remove sounds great.
 
Seems I owe you an apology Hobot, you were right, searching around reveals MoM is a mild laxative. Your health info was right - sorry about that (you being in the health field, and all that).

However, also discovered some other interesting things - not all antacid formulations are the same - or even have MoM in them. "Gaviscon" is a widely used and advertised antacid formulation in the UK and Oz - it contains Sodium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate and alginate. No Mom, no hydroxides - no side effects. ?

The other one on the shelf contains MoM, Aluminium hydroxide, etc etc.
Aluminium ??
No mention of side effects either.

How did we get onto this subject ?
Sorry I spoke.
Back to bikes...
 
We got on this subject because I posted the use or a common medicine cabinet shop gem : ) At least you checked into it to find that old fashioned baking soda works well and is safer than the patented anti-acids out there. Al is a neuro toxin and associated with Alzheimer Dis. 90% of acid reflux/GRUD has nothing to do with the upper gut but everything to do with old neck injury wearing down on the brain stem and Phrenic N of startle, gag, vomit and neck shoulder tension of pensiveness. The other ~10% has parasite or bacterial infection or food allergy basis, usually on top of the neck-brain stem- Phrenic N vascular impingement.

I accept your acknowledgment I'm not misleading anyone, which should make ya restless on my reports of how well Ms Peel handles that I have lost respect for any elite modern fat tired cycle once leaned to 45'.

Off to Eureka Springs today to shop with my S.O. and pick up some cheap pink safe exhaust ring-bolt releaser.

BTW caster oil laxative is the best stuff to shove interference fit items together without much force or galling.
 
Just finnished off the last of a paticularly good Pea and Ham soup I prepared erlier, and I
might need some medication for my Exhaust ring.
AC.
 
I might need some medication for my Exhaust ring.
AC.
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LOL! Can't wait to see the quizzed looks when I tell a patient they need some hi temp anti-seize as recommended by experienced old cycle mechanics.

[could be taken two ways but I only mean one]
 
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