Midual Type 1 flat boxer twin €140,000

http://www.morebikes.co.uk/midual-type- ... irst-ride/

Midual Type 1 €140,000 | 1036cc | 4-stroke flat-twin | 107bhp @ 7800rpm | 72.3lb-ft @ 6000rpm

The Zonda of motorcycles it appears, or at least Spyker.

JD

You can buy a watercooled 1200cc twin from BM, new, for considerably less Euros. ?
AND more hp.

http://www.cycleworld.com/olgallery/82969/82981/3

"BMW’s new R1200GS engine features rugged unit construction in which gearbox and clutch (now wet) are housed in the main case, and cylinders are cast in one piece with the vertically split case halves. Output is boosted to 125 horsepower at 7700 rpm "

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/12/21/bm ... h-preview/

It's not just the motor. go to the link and see the complete bike. It's the complete bike that generates the cost, not just the motor pictured in Hobots post.

JD

What would you rather own and 1200 cc BMW with 120 BHP or :
The 1036cc Midual engine is a Dual Over Head Cam eight-valve flat-twin with vertically-split crankcases, whose cylinders being tilted forward by 25º provide space for the six-speed transmission to be mounted beneath the rear pot, combined with an oil-bath ramp-style slipper clutch, and straight-cut primary gears - with 107 BHP ?

It stands to reason that a bike with 120 BHP must be faster - or does it ? And is it really relevant ? To my mind an inline boxer twin must be far superior to one with the motor across the frame. I think it would be a much better handling arrangement. The basic problem is this - most roads and race circuits have bends in them, and that is the only reason I would ever ride a motorcycle in preference to driving a car.

The Midual is not just about hp, and speed...... They cater to a different market in the way that Bentley or Maybach, Zonda and Spyker cater to a niche in the Automotive market. There are faster and more affordable alternatives to those elite offerings as there are faster and more affordable rides to the Midual. Apples and Oranges, Apples and Oranges. You payz you money and takes your choice. If you have the money and want a certain level of exclusivity, there are manufacturers to give you exactly what you little heart desires at a cost.


JD

$200,000 may buy exclusivity, but when any BM Paris Dakar can blow you into the weeds,
AND cost one tenth the price, its going to seem pretty hollow ?!

Heck, for that you could have a horde of Ducati Panigales,
AND a DAF truck support crew to bring along the champagne and nibblies...

They'd be better to build aftermarket frames/bling kits for some of the bigger/better bikes around ?
A Valkyrie with all the fruit, or a RoadKing with all the bling ??

P.S. Check out this variation on a BMW.
https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hph ... 53663fe59d

Cost you at least $150,000 LESS than a Midual Type 1. ??
and you won't pass too many of these going the other way.
Is that a featherbed frame I see in there, sorta....

Perhaps they cost so much because finding wielders of the old ugly stick is not so easy?
Sorry but looks wise, it is a dog.

Interesting engineering, but lots of folks over the decades have gone to the wall obsessing over a single parameter, when it is the whole that counts.

Yoose guys crack me up - like there was some actual basis to pick on one hi end cycle or another - when there is no other reason to get a cycle over cheap utilitarian 250cc unless its for pure pleasure and taste, and there is no accounting for differing tastes. Its an engineering marvel, so are the other brands but who hardly notices them any more. Commandos do everywhere.

This is more what I'm waiting to see in used bargain sales to jump on, simple push rod American brute. Though would want to mount in isolastic frame.

http://motusmotorcycles.com/blog/

On the contrary, you crack us up.
Blythely putting out links to $200,000 motorcycles -that are 99% styling,
and otherwise just a convoluted rework of existing bikes ??
Exclusive as they may be.

Likewise, that Motus looks to be somewhat along the lines of the well known and tried and established Onda ST1100,
and latterly the new 1400cc version.
Onda didn't see any need to isolastic them, as you'd expect from a V4.
Someone local here purloined such an engine into a little car, and very effective it is too.
More cubes might be interesting though.

Chev V8's have quite a following in the bike world.
Cheap, cheerful, and some serious muscle. !!
The dirt bike versions look quite spectacular,
but I'm not so sure I'd actually like to try one.
Let alone buy one....

I like the technologies used - the engine is state of the art and has a couple of novel features. The frame is a nice bit of engineering too, very clever. The performance, handling and rideability excellent if the write-up is anything to go by. The overall styling is not to my taste and in my opinion lets down what would be otherwise worthy of the title "avant-garde".

Old enemies now friends send all sorts of stuff so posted in correct area I hope. Midual is over kill over whelming for me to even comprehend all its innovations. Hope it becomes an icon in its own close nit club. Would take some track days dicing it up to find its pecking order performance wise.
There's a number of other far out cycles in similar price range that ain't as interesting or realistic as this Midual, recenty Locus approved cycle is totally enclosed w/o any its exotic mechanicals showing.

Btw a BMW RS1200 was one the few cycles that could and would out drag Ms Peel over 100 in short sections its possible so got around us and I couldn't catch up again till entering deadly tight chicanes its was still going faster than I could hardly stand d/t fear of racing into blinds.

Much as I love Norton type power and character - in the end engine design is too fragile but the isolastic flexy frame and its wonderful power pulse dampening has driven me bonkers, so images of 1/2 a Corvette engine in its own two part isolastic frame is disturbing my peace. Everyone else wanting most fun road orgasms seem to want to keep the engine and toss the rest, not me. So personally I see all these wonder appliances as too insecure to trust a mere human to control so remain dead end designs corner cripples.

A cave man's big club engine but its got that irresistable forward cant and just 2 valves simplicity.
http://thekneeslider.com/is-the-motus-v ... t-rodding/

I think it might be very difficult to build a better performing bike with a four stroke engine than a Ducati Desmosedici. You might believe it is possible using a boxer engine, however enthusiasm doesn't necessarily build a better bike than sound engineering theory. With the old style British vertical twins the move has been towards the staggered crank to get the primary balance right. Surely that is why Phil Irving preferred the V-twin and why Ducati use that angle between the cylinders on their bikes ?

acotrel said:

With the old style British vertical twins the move has been towards the staggered crank to get the primary balance right.

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Along with a balancer shaft - or 2 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

It's an interesting looking bike. But is not THAT interesting! I struggle to believe there are enough people in the world both rich enough and interested enough to make this a viable project.

Indeed.

For a mere part of that price, you could have a Drysdale V8,
a little hotrod if ever there was one.
http://v8bikes.com/wp-content/gallery/d ... ike_02.jpg

Don't think Jay Leno has one of them either....

Have you actually seen a Drysdale V8 ? To me it resembles the Munch Mammut. A 1300cc water cooled Kawasaki or a 1000 cc Honda CBX would be better. I always get a bit apprehensive when people do things 'because they can'. It is one thing to have creative thought, however speculation doesn't always give the expected result. For example those guys who fit the best V-twin motor into the best manx frame - it doesn't necessarily deliver the best bike.
If the Drysdale V8 thing was done with two 250cc barrels and heads, instead of 900s - it might be a much better deal. I'd like one made from two four cylinder 125cc watercooled Suzuki motors. It would be a really thrilling 250.

We think you might be talking gibberish Alan.
Go away and research what a Drysdale V8 actually is.

Ian was on one of the email groups, and we got a pretty good background to everything.
It was all set to race in the Superbikes at one stage too, but the plug got pulled....

I've seen the Drysdale V8 a couple of times at Broadford. It is a good trick, but why would you bother ? From memory it is two Z900 top ends on a home made crankcase. At about the same time the Britten was there, that is really impressive. The other home-made thing that is beautiful is Horner's Irving Vincent. It poses as an historic bike however it takes a desmosedici to beat it. Did you see it in the videos of Goodwood Revival this year ? It was in a near standard Vincent frame, however It was extremely fast.

This video was made by Mike Edwards. If you take note of the on-board from the second race, you will see Craig McMartin come from behind him and cut in front then whiz past the next four bikes :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1JfQ4xb0iA