Lithium Ferrous Battery Review

worntorn said:

With the 4 cell, the battery dies very quickly with this kind of steady discharge. Big problem. It is going back and I will try the 8 cell.
The twelve cell I have in the project bike handled the same situation OK.

Glen

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The 4 cell Ballistic is a 2.3Ah battery. The 8 cell is 4.6Ah. The 12 cell is 6.9Ah. I used a 7Ah Yuasa for years with an Aerostich heated jacket. Never left me stranded.

My next battery is going to be a "14Ah" Shorai. Length 4.45" Width 2.28" Height 3.50"
The "14Ah" is in quotes. It's really a 7Ah battery, like the 12 cell Ballistic. The light weight and the fact that it holds a charge is enough to make it worth the $. It's not that much more than a Yuasa anyway.

The biggest problem with the Li batteries so far for me, is not with the battery itself but with the exaggerations done by the seller.
Once you wade thru the hype and ignore the seller's recommendations, they are probably just fine. Time will tell if the promises of huge life and tiny storage discharge amounts are more accurate than the power descriptions were.

Glen

I have a headache. I'm just glad mine starts. This week.

shrugger said:

hmm, wonder if the 4 cell would be enough for us kick starters. 8 A/H is certainly enough for my Triumph T120.

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Been using a four cell in my 73 850 for a year or two now. Works fine.

Read up on Boeing's problems with LI batteries on the 787 - internal short-circuits, lots of smoke, melted batteries. The 787 is an almost all-electric airplane and needs big power storage capacity. I think Boeing pushed the technology too hard.

The battery issues resulted in all 787's being grounded for weeks. Boeing can't even fly the new 787 airplanes lined up at Everett to a storage location. I think there were about 50 already delivered which are also grounded. ANA's ssevice between Tokyo and Seattle is shut down due to no airplanes available.

They're hoping to get the grounding order rescinded next week, but it's likely that ETOPS (extended range twin engine operations) won't be re-authorised for a while longer.

worntorn said:

Once you wade thru the hype and ignore the seller's recommendations, they are probably just fine. Time will tell if the promises of huge life and tiny storage discharge amounts are more accurate than the power descriptions were.

Glen

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Thanks for the reality check Glen. These guys sit around all day dreaming this stuff up.
"Lead Acid Equivalent Amperage"
Somebody got in the Advertizing Bullshit Hall of Fame with that one. At least Ballistic lists the real numbers.

Incidentally, I don't think there's anything "ferrous" about them. The name is Lithium-Ion".

There is a whole bunch of reaction chemistries of corrosion, aka reduction-oxidation-Red-ox, aka alkaline/base, aka pH, aka cathode anode ion &or electron transfer flow potentials-voltage which use Lithium ions, one of those chemistry in Li-ion batteries now sold is based on Iron-Phosphate for the cathode. Anode I always remember as A Negitive electrode, meaning a source of electrons leaving it as physics uses rather dumb ass chemists still using Ben Francklin's nomenclature of + polarity which implies that electrode is positively emitting electrons, sometimes enough to spark...

http://hardingenergy.com/lithium-iron-phosphate/

I read it as lithium iron.




I'm just about ready to hook this bad boy up! I'll report back...

frankdamp said:

Incidentally, I don't think there's anything "ferrous" about them. The name is Lithium-Ion".

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There is both Lithium Ion and Lithium Iron (Ferrous). Expect confusion.

frankdamp said:

Incidentally, I don't think there's anything "ferrous" about them.

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There is something ferrous about LiFePo4 and I wouldn't use any other type of Li-Ion accumulators in a vehicle.


Tim

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I took out the Norton Commando tonight and drove over to see Wesley. He was not home. On the way back I had a power failure...in the dark...
The Lithium battery got overtaxed when I turned on the high beam headlight while I was going down a steep dark wooded back road and touched the brake.. The ignition went dead... and the lights went out..on a dark curve. Fortunately there was a car behind me that saw me in the dark. Since I was going downhill, I just coasted in the dark, using my night vision. I got to a friend’s house and pulled into his drive. That’s when I discovered the Lithium battery had a thermal cut out. The 2 fuses were good.

In about 10 minutes, I started it once more using the choke and no lights. Got it running down hill once more and left the lights off. I was about an 1/8th mile from home. The choke caused the motor to balk and before I could switch it off, the engine died once more. I pushed it a ways uphill and then parked it for a breather. I took off my helmet and stashed it behind a tree so not to have to mess with it in the tenuous situation. Once more I lit it up with a good kick and once running downhill again I switched on the headlamp. It ran me home and I eventually got it into the garage. I went back for my helmet and will charge the battery tomorrow and probably order a larger Lithium battery, since mine is the smallest one they make. I may put the next larger size battery in parallel with this one.

At least now I found the limits of the small 8 ounce Ballistics battery. I have previously run in the daylight for several hours and had not a single misfire or mishap. But I think the difference was that on the highway trip the Commando’s RPMS were high enough... to keep the battery charging and peaked up the small battery all the while.

Riding the Commando to Snowshoe would not have been a good idea..on the smaller battery. Too much of a load on a marginal power capacity. That much can be fixed.

Tman

Hm, I'm easy to scare so getting a bit pensive to keep these inside, especially after a rough ride or take down. I hear tell after Roswell and others they gave that technology to us and moved on.

"There's a certain critical velocity at which bad things happen," Wierzbicki says. "Right now, thermal runaway might occur during a 20-mph side collision. We'd like to increase that threshold to maybe 40 mph. By doing this, maybe 95 percent of accidents would be safe from the point of view of a battery exploding. But there will always be some collision—for example, a very fast car hits a tree or a post—and that's not a survivable accident for people and also for batteries. So you cannot have absolute safety. But we can increase this safety."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-06-crash-test ... s.html#jCp

Move over fragile El Flamo Li Fe and welcome Satan's Sulfur for 4x's mo go go

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-all-solid- ... m-ion.html

I have had a 14Ah Shorai in my MKIII for over 2 years with no issue. Every few miles also. It has been on a Battery Tender Jr for up to 6 months at a time with no ill affects, started up quickly. It has been left off the tnder for 6 months and held the charge. The MKIII is in good shape, Shorai, PowerArch and new Premiers. I am in decsent shape for a change, had a spinal Radio Freguency Ablation 4 weeks ago and feel fine. Leaving work at noon today to put some miles on the bike and myself. I will run the bike with lights, lots of shut downs and report back.

Next effort is to loose everything from the Prince of Darkness!

Chuck

Here is some GOOD information http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=757934