Kick-start, first gear ratchet profile ?

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Attached 2 photos. I see a slight difference between the two. The original flat peaks and the new more rounded ? AH stamped on the original. Is this the factory original ? I have had problems with the kickstarting not catching when pressure applied and then catching lower down. New pawl made no difference. Having another go at it !
 

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Are you saying the gear on the left in both photos is the new/replacement item?
In my opinion, the rounded internal section on the new item is badly machined. This is where the pawl should locate positively against a flat shoulder. There is no flat shoulder on the new gear.

The gear on the right, what you are calling the original, appears to be machined properly with a flat shoulder.
This is what a new Andover part looks like. Much closer to your original.
 
The one on the left looks like it is worn with the rounded edges, that will cause the pawl to slip so I wouldn't use that one at all, the AH one I be using, I replaced 4 KS pawls before I realized my kick gear was to worn and replaced with a new gear, that was over 25+ years ago and haven't replaced the pawl since, been that long since I been back in my GB.
 
Whats the Kickstart shaft and pawl look like? Got a picture? With a new pawl you shouldn't be having any skipping/slipping on engagement.
The AH gear looks better in the photo. New Gear from Andover comes with the bushing installed. Whats the history of the other gear on the left?
 
I'm thinking the one on the left is second hand. However, it's the (AH) that was fitted and has been giving the problems. I fitted a new pawl last year that had been on the to-do list for about 5years. It's almost ready for the road but want the kick-start 100%. I notice there looks like a lot of wear on the kick-star shaft inner bearing so I suspect that won't be helping ? Dremmel to remove ?? It never ends ! The AH gear has been in the bike since I got it , About 23 years ago. Is it an andover only part ? If so possibly changed believing faulty ? Roy.
 

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Just press the old bush out lube the new one and press it in, if you don't have a press a vice will do it, just be careful.
 
Attached 2 photos. I see a slight difference between the two. The original flat peaks and the new more rounded ? AH stamped on the original. Is this the factory original ? I have had problems with the kickstarting not catching when pressure applied and then catching lower down. New pawl made no difference. Having another go at it !
You may well be right, but I would check the pawl movement carefully. The plunger and spring and therefore the pawl must move freely. Both gears in the pictures look usable to me and since if does eventually catch, I would think more about the pawl not coming out immediately from the parked position.
 
I'm thinking the one on the left is second hand. However, it's the (AH) that was fitted and has been giving the problems. I fitted a new pawl last year that had been on the to-do list for about 5years. It's almost ready for the road but want the kick-start 100%. I notice there looks like a lot of wear on the kick-star shaft inner bearing so I suspect that won't be helping ? Dremmel to remove ?? It never ends ! The AH gear has been in the bike since I got it , About 23 years ago. Is it an andover only part ? If so possibly changed believing faulty ? Roy.
"I notice there looks like a lot of wear on the kick-star shaft inner bearing so I suspect that won't be helping ? Dremmel to remove ??"
Roy,
Use an old tap that you can cut the brass bush enough to thread into it. Put the square end of the tap into a bench vice and with a mallet tap the shaft of the kickstart to draw the bushing out.
As Greg stated check that the spring and plunger are free and that the ratchet clicks freely when you spin it in the gear.

The gear on the left looks like the holes are distorted oval. ( Maybe its just the Picture). What do they look like on the other face? That's where the dogs engage when shifting gears.
 
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Will take a photo of k.s shaft , bearing and pawl and also check plunger and spring. They seem fine as when put into both gears it seems perfect ??? Sounds like a football rattle !
 
The one on the left looks like it is worn with the rounded edges, that will cause the pawl to slip so I wouldn't use that one at all, the AH one I be using, I replaced 4 KS pawls before I realized my kick gear was to worn and replaced with a new gear, that was over 25+ years ago and haven't replaced the pawl since, been that long since I been back in my GB.
There was a time when Domi was selling kick start pawls that weren't oe, and failed at an alarming rate. But that was back in the 70's as I remember.
 
There was a time when Domi was selling kick start pawls that weren't oe, and failed at an alarming rate. But that was back in the 70's as I remember.
The ratchet gear where the pawl engages in the gear was so worn it kept wearing the pawl and slipping but took 4 replacements before I even thought to think about it being the cause of the pawl wear, since replacing the KS gear I had no more problems with the pawl wearing out, 48+ years of kicking my Norton things do wear.
 
Took the bush out of the kick-start shaft today. Drill & Dremmel. Cleaned it thoroughly. Checked all the components and photoed as asked. Then noticed this , my bank won't like it !!! Ps the inner of bush looked shot ! Cause of longstanding problem do you reckon?? Roy.
 

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Looks like you are up for a new kickstart shaft looking at that crack, if you don't replace it, it will break there where the pawl sits, I replaced my KS shaft back in the 80s were it had snapped but was from another reason (long story and putting my trust in the hands of a workshop fu ck up in my younger days).

Ashley
 
Looks like you are up for a new kickstart shaft looking at that crack, if you don't replace it, it will break there where the pawl sits, I replaced my KS shaft back in the 80s were it had snapped but was from another reason (long story and putting my trust in the hands of a workshop fu ck up in my younger days).

Ashley
Yes ! Regardless of that being the problem, it won't be going back in. If you look at the last photo , the wear pattern shows it's been there a while, so having to exist on beans & toast for a month or two, possibly will solve a long standing problem. Wish I'd spotted it before wasting time and a 2mm boron drill bit extracting the bush . Pssttt goes the 3rd coors ! Roy.
 
Took the bush out of the kick-start shaft today. Drill & Dremmel. Cleaned it thoroughly. Checked all the components and photoed as asked. Then noticed this , my bank won't like it !!! Ps the inner of bush looked shot ! Cause of longstanding problem do you reckon?? Roy.
That crack is relatively common. I replace them when I see it, but the kickstart has always been working when I found it, so I don't think that's the problem. The bushing being bad could cause it so in either case, a new kickstart shaft may fix it.
 
Also worth checking the pawl when extended that the shoulders on the pawl contact the kickstart shaft, some don't and the force is transmitted to the pawl pin.
 
Also worth checking the pawl when extended that the shoulders on the pawl contact the kickstart shaft, some don't and the force is transmitted to the pawl pin.
Yes, checked that before I found the crack. Shiny contact area on (now useless) shaft. No wonder I drink !!
 
Also worth checking the pawl when extended that the shoulders on the pawl contact the kickstart shaft, some don't and the force is transmitted to the pawl pin.
I suspect that when the kick-start misses and then catches halfway down that the force would be strong enough to cause a fracture. In a foot or leg also !!!
 
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