Is Pazon Ignitions still in business? Sure-Fire stopped working

Andy@Pazon said:
You can't easily test the advance/retard on the ignition module - only when the bike is running and with a strobe light.
We have a dedicated test rig that can check the advance function and other parameters, over a wide range of rpm.

The self-test function checks for sparks (also confirming battery, connections, coils/leads/caps/plugs are good), but it is not a 100% perfect test for the module.
Very rarely a module will pass the self-test but the low speed operation and/or advance could be 'off'.
This can happen when (for example) the bike has a bad or missing engine ground, and sparks can jump where they shouldn't - for example inside the points housing and into the module via the trigger wires.
This can damage the module internal components.

Unfortunately the grounding issue is not uncommon with the Commando, due to the engine mounting method.

The Sure Fire system can be run with or without resistor caps/plugs, as it is not especially susceptible to radio frequency interference (r.f.i.).
If you have other electronic items on the bike (e.g. electronic tacho, intercom, alarm, etc.), these may be affected by r.f.i. if there is insufficient suppression in the high tension circuits.
So in those cases you may need to fit resistor caps or resistor plugs.
If you are using resistor caps we would normally advise using non-resistor plugs.
Similarly if you are using resistor plugs we would advise using non-resistor caps.
Too much resistance can reduce the available spark energy (although the reduction is usually quite small).
Also, we always recommend using copper cored plug leads with all of our systems.
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Engine ground? How is the engine grounded? Is there a ground strap from engine to frame? When I pulled the tank to check wires, there was one blade connector that received two red ground wires. The male connector bolts onto the frame where the coils are mounted with a small
bolt. That bolt was loose. I tightened it and thought that might have been the problem - but still nothing when I kick it over. Could a bad ground there have damaged the module?

Later today (it's 2:15 am here), I'll run through the more detailed tests in your emails.
 
Fast Eddie said:
And there endeth the lesson folks… check your spam folders before sparking international internet incidents… 😂🤣😂
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Big thanks to Johm and gartnipper and others who went out of their way to get me in touch with Andy! International cooperation isn't dead! AND big thanks to all who help solve problems on accessnorton.com!!

Yup. Spam! I did check the spam folder in my email client Thunderbird, but forgot about the change to the Yahoo server that now handles comcast.net email. When Yahoo sent emails to the spam folder on it's server, Thunderbird doesn't see them when it retrieves emails from the server. Now I've got to figure out how to back off Yahoo's spam filter. There were probably 40 emails there that were legit and should not have gone to spam.
 
swolh said:
Engine ground? How is the engine grounded? Is there a ground strap from engine to frame? When I pulled the tank to check wires, there was one blade connector that received two red ground wires. The male connector bolts onto the frame where the coils are mounted with a small
bolt. That bolt was loose. I tightened it and thought that might have been the problem - but still nothing when I kick it over. Could a bad ground there have damaged the module?

Later today (it's 2:15 am here), I'll run through the more detailed tests in your emails.
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I cannot remember if it's standard or not but I always run a nice big earth connector to one of the bolts that hold the head steady to the head. Or drill a hole the the head steady and ground to that. Just make sure you have a good connector to the motor. On the engine side of the isolatics.
 
Only 200 miles after a thorough carb cleaning. After checking the ground, I would go back to the carb and check everything that was tinkered with during the cleaning.​
 
johnm said:
I cannot remember if it's standard or not but I always run a nice big earth connector to one of the bolts that hold the head steady to the head. Or drill a hole the the head steady and ground to that. Just make sure you have a good connector to the motor. On the engine side of the isolatics.
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I do the same, even without isolastics!
 
Something easy to check when problems with a Pazon Sure Fire: are the two (very) small screws of the yellow/black and white/black cables on the (very) small connector tightened enough?

If not, it may result in erratic (or No) sparks.

L.
 
laurentdom said:
Something easy to check when problems with a Pazon Sure Fire: are the two (very) small screws of the yellow/black and white/black cables on the (very) small connector tightened enough?

If not, it may result in erratic (or No) sparks.

L.
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Yep, been there. For me it was no sparks.

I have had to grind down a flat electrical screwdriver to fit into there.

I think it could do with a larger connector block, particularly for those of us who have the engine in and out regularly.
 
I had a problem on my Pazon at the tiny terminal block on the stator board. One of the wires had broke just at the terminal and was making intermittent contact. I found the issue and cut and stripped back both wires and reinstalled in the terminal block. Looking at the Pazon book it showed a tiny ty rap securing the wires to the stator board, which was missing on my installation. The Pazon was installed when I bought the bike years ago. I added the ty rap and a good blob of Permatex silicone sealer to support the wires. No more issues for some time now.
Cheers from SC
 
Steve W. said:
I had a problem on my Pazon at the tiny terminal block on the stator board. One of the wires had broke just at the terminal and was making intermittent contact. I found the issue and cut and stripped back both wires and reinstalled in the terminal block. Looking at the Pazon book it showed a tiny ty rap securing the wires to the stator board, which was missing on my installation. The Pazon was installed when I bought the bike years ago. I added the ty rap and a good blob of Permatex silicone sealer to support the wires. No more issues for some time now.
Cheers from SC
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Yes, I tend to tie wrap mine. I also have a spare stator in my race bits box.
 

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