Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...

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Looks good! Dual discs, good suspension (for a Sportster), plenty of ground clearance, mid controls, etc...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Mo ... #!overview

Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...
 
speirmoor said:
Its backwards they'e going.

Partly true, and a good thing in this case, the XL1200R was a very good bike but was pulled from the US market in 2008 (however XL-R bikes continued to sell well in Europe)...this is similar to it but the brakes, wheels, and suspension are better per HD plus ABS is available. Wheels are 18 R, 19 F. Looks to me like the new bike will work well for real world riding, it has plenty of ground clearance unlike recent Sportsters.

Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...
 
bluto said:
speirmoor said:
Its backwards they'e going.

Partly true, and a good thing in this case, the XL1200R was a very good bike but was pulled from the US market in 2008 (however XL-R bikes continued to sell well in Europe)...this is similar to it but the brakes, wheels, and suspension are better per HD plus ABS is available. Wheels are 18 R, 19 F. Looks to me like the new bike will work well for real world riding, it has plenty of ground clearance unlike recent Sportsters.

Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...


Yes, good points Bluto. My reservation would be that the riding position looks like it might be cramped for a big ish fella.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Yes, good points Bluto. My reservation would be that the riding position looks like it might be cramped for a big ish fella.

Yep, agree that it looks a bit small and I have long legs...but have made two other smallish bikes I've owned (A Ducati Monster and a CB500X) fit me by installing a taller seat. Modern Sportsters take some getting used to visually with a tall bench seat but that is what Harley supplied on some back in the day and from what I've read they often make the bike work for taller riders.

Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...
 
meh! just another HD.
This one looks like it was subjected to the backyard "Bobber" treatment.
(hacksaw off the rear fender and spray paint it flat black)
 
Test rode one today and liked it a lot, was surprised by the negative comments here...this bike felt MUCH more Commando like to me than modern Triumph air cooled twins and the Ducati Scrambler (have not riden a new WC Triumph twin yet). Anyway at 6'1" the fit was OK for me, compact but not cramped. Here is a picture of the two together to give an idea of how the size and ergonomics compare.

Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...


Harley is bringing the Sportster Roadster back...
 
It does look like someone took a hacksaw to the fenders.....

Is the sporty fuel injected.
How does that feel to ride - flawless ?
 
OK I suppose.
I'll wait till they bring back the XL1200, with the better brakes and suspension.
 
I rode a friend's XR 1200 and it wasn't bad. Brakes, suspension oil-tightness and reliability have greatly improved since the old days. The engine (stock) felt a litle chuffy and ran out of breath early, but you could likely pump up the bhp with some simple mods. The rubber mounting seems to work well. Wonder where they got THAT idea? :roll:
 
Rohan said:
It does look like someone took a hacksaw to the fenders.....

Is the sporty fuel injected.
How does that feel to ride - flawless ?

I don't like the fenders at all either but that is an easy fix and the Euro models have an extension/plate holder that would take care of the rear...and the hacksaw bit at least has an historical precedent going back to the post WW2 "Wild Bunch" days ;-) The bike is indeed EFI ( a Delphi system) and that part was flawless...no jerky throttle, flat spots, etc. that some modern EFI bikes are plagued with. The stock pipes sound great, a nice rumble without being obnoxious. The brakes and suspension are new and an upgrade over other Sportsters, worked well but my ride was too short and easy to tell how they would work when riden hard. The rubber mounts for the engine work great much like on the Commando....if anything they let a bit more vibration through but it is just the right amount. Clutch pull is reasonable, shifting is good, the 5 gears are well spaced. The pegs are waay too wide spaced and the feelers only make the matter worse. Not light at about 550 lbs. but the weight is down low COG wise so it is not objectionable (to me at least)
 
These days we even see American movies where the plot is subtle, so there is hope for Harley Davidson yet. I think the motor and gearbox are very good and as Rohan indicated, Buell was on the right track with frames. Pity they were so bloody ugly. Somebody should get a job at Harris Frames and learn how to make them so they are functional and attractive. It is not rocket science.
I think the new Sportster should have two front heads. Make up your minds - is it a tourer of a café racer or a chopper ?
 
The old design should be updated as Buell did. They can keep the old iron look for the hard core Harley crowd, but introduce a modernized version.
Modern chassis (if the factory can build one, and their VR1000 effort in AMA Superbike indicates they can’t) then shop it out to a company that can (Big 4, Ducati, Aprilla, etc).
Next thing is ditch the “T” intake manifold and associated crap hanging off the right side of the engine.
Re-design the cylinder heads to have more downdraft intakes between the cylinders, feed from an under tank airbox. 4 valve head of course.
Incorporate the Evo type balancers into the 1200 motor.
I think if Harley made a concept bike like this for the IMS, they could easily test the market interest in such a bike. It would have a heritage edge to it, but be a true sport oriented machine. That is what would differentiate from the VRod tank.
 
One of the things about Harley i think is they don't want to change too much. They have something that works for them around the world. It kinda surprised me when they came out with that little 750 twin not long ago, but i guess they wanted an entry level machine that would cross over to the big twins. A gril here at work has one and suits her just fine, dont know if she could ever handle a big twin though. But for me i got hooked on the early buells after going with my brother to bonneville, he was riding a bike for NRHS and the bike had a buell frame, engine was quite differnt though. They handle very well when set up right, they are much like a Norton in that if the iso's are bad you can really feel it. But what i like most is that there are a million people out there that make engine perfomance parts for the them and the Sportster. Anything you can think of and compared to our Nortons the parts are way less expensive. I just finished doing one of mine, pistons, barrels, headwork that included porting, oversize valves, beehive springs, and i'm sure some things i am forgetting. And it didn't break the bank. I think i may know what Ron means when he talks of looks, the later Rotax engine ones with those scoops just looked bad. But the early Buells were good looking to me anyway. But my S1W now has over a 100 h.p. And over 90 ft. Lbs. of torque, it sure does feel nice.
 
Hortons Norton said:
One of the things about Harley i think is they don't want to change too much. They have something that works for them around the world. It kinda surprised me when they came out with that little 750 twin not long ago, but i guess they wanted an entry level machine that would cross over to the big twins. A gril here at work has one and suits her just fine, dont know if she could ever handle a big twin though. But for me i got hooked on the early buells after going with my brother to bonneville, he was riding a bike for NRHS and the bike had a buell frame, engine was quite differnt though. They handle very well when set up right, they are much like a Norton in that if the iso's are bad you can really feel it. But what i like most is that there are a million people out there that make engine perfomance parts for the them and the Sportster. Anything you can think of and compared to our Nortons the parts are way less expensive. I just finished doing one of mine, pistons, barrels, headwork that included porting, oversize valves, beehive springs, and i'm sure some things i am forgetting. And it didn't break the bank. I think i may know what Ron means when he talks of looks, the later Rotax engine ones with those scoops just looked bad. But the early Buells were good looking to me anyway. But my S1W now has over a 100 h.p. And over 90 ft. Lbs. of torque, it sure does feel nice.

Nice sounding Buell yer got there.

Pictures seem to be taking a long time to down load though... :wink:
 
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