Handmade Tanks - Singh Precisions

Hi svensven.
Your first post: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:33 am.
Your recent post: Fri May 01, 2015 5:50 am.
No tank received in 251 days!
Only 3 more weeks and 9 months will have passed!
It is quicker to conceive and birth a human baby than it is for this man to produce a tank!
I suspect this man has been attempting to 'conceive a baby with you' as he appears to take pleasure in stringing you along with updates and pictures (but no tank).
It may hurt less to walk away rather than take any more.
Ta.

“It is quicker to conceive and birth a human baby than it is for this man to produce a tank!”

That’s a pretty interesting perspective. You sure had me chuckling
I understand that this thread is now touching 141+ posts, so a lot of Very Significant info posted earlier has now been buried under.

Just to refresh things a bit –

Firstly, This thread might have begun in August, but I could not Post, Access or even view it as Accessnotron is Blocked in several countries outside USA. I signed up for a membership in October, but it wasn’t approved Until JANUARY 2015. Jerry Doe was kind enough to help me get on board at Access Norton.

Secondly, Since my very first message, I have mentioned not just once, twice or thrice, but Several Times in separate posts that I will start the work on this Tank (for Access Norton) by the End of FEB 2015.

Thirdly, I began the work on the tank by Feb end and posted the first set of pics & info on 5th March.
Posted pics & info in several Individual messages thru the build and posted the final update with the pics of the finished tank, ready to be shipped on the 27th of APRIL

It took me 8 weeks to finish the tank from scratch.


Allow me to elaborate once again –
If anyone places an order for a tank, sends a $$ deposit/advance, I would guarantee a tank within 25-28 days. In case I go over 28 days, I will send the refund on Day 29.
The Buyer/Client will also be entitled to an intervention by PayPal at their discretion and get refund within 45 days of the payment by PayPal if the tank is not delivered.

"If you actually want to finish your bike and ride it, then 5 times the price would be worth it.”


If you would pay me 5 times the price, I would come to your garage with my tools and work on the tank from scratch, finishing it within 7 days..Really, No Kidding!!

Best Regards
Singh

http://www.singh-precisions.com

Singh,
Interesting web site... especially the oil tank page... A LEATHER oil tank no less... Ha well, each to their own...!

Rosey said:

But I hear that Terry Baker (RIP) aka TAB2 in the UK are good to deal with.
Brett

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I've been dealing with Tab2 to fabricate a tank. Money due once the tank is finished but before shipment. Advertised a 6 week lead time; I put my order in about a month ago so we'll see how close they hit that mark. Price seems very fair considering the USD to GBP exchange rate. Communication has been very prompt. Comes with internal baffles, integrated breather in cap, and hopefully leak free cap, all of which will be an upgrade from my alloy Norvil tank.

Also I noted that clubmanracing has a Lyta style Tank Shop alloy tank on hand, so if you want one now now now and are willing to pay for it someone could contact them...

http://www.clubmanracing.com/

Cheers, Will

SINGH said:

"If you actually want to finish your bike and ride it, then 5 times the price would be worth it.”


If you would pay me 5 times the price, I would come to your garage with my tools and work on the tank from scratch, finishing it within 7 days..Really, No Kidding!!

Best Regards
Singh

http://www.singh-precisions.com

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Singh,

I understand the health issues you had. I get that a hand made tank takes some time to complete. What I don't get are the very long lapses in communication. That is a very poor business practice in most of the world. You say you could not get access to this website...but there is email...there is the telephone...you have left people hanging and that just sucks no matter how you look at it.

People here are willing to pay for quality delivered in a reasonable amount of time...with consistent communication. You need to learn that and quit making excuses for your absolutely terrible communication with your customer's. Very few will put up with that and if you go back through the 141+ posts you will see many asking...begging...for you to communicate.

My simple point is, why should someone who is building a bike and wanting to finish it put up with that. Excuses aside...you have failed miserably at customer service.

Singh:
Can you please help clarify? You have stated on several occasions you are 'operating' in India and in the US. Not clear but it seems the US presence may be Florida and/or Nevada. Not sure though.
Can you give me at least one or 2 telephone contacts for you. Be they in India or the USA or anywhere.
The inability to EVER get hold of you and talk to you .. is another issue.

I've requested this from you before on at least 2 occasions. You've never responded. On one occasion you stated you had called my cell and left a message or it was wrong number etc. You have my direct email. Please send me your telephone numbers there. I'll also send this entire email directly to your email address and Facebook.

-->FJ

SvenSven said:

Singh:
Can you please help clarify? You have stated on several occasions you are 'operating' in India and in the US. Not clear but it seems the US presence may be Florida and/or Nevada. Not sure though.
Can you give me at least one or 2 telephone contacts for you. Be they in India or the USA or anywhere.
The inability to EVER get hold of you and talk to you .. is another issue.

I've requested this from you before on at least 2 occasions. You've never responded. On one occasion you stated you had called my cell and left a message or it was wrong number etc. You have my direct email. Please send me your telephone numbers there. I'll also send this entire email directly to your email address and Facebook.

-->FJ

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As a bystander it is almost painful to observe this dodge and weave process that seems not heading to a satisfactory conclusion.
This is only a small bike gas tank.
How much time and how many excuses, delays and lack of reasonable responses from Singh before it is obvious that no effort has been truly expended in filling this order.

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SvenSven said:

.... As a bystander it is almost painful to observe this dodge and weave process that seems not heading to a satisfactory conclusion......

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+1....it is indeed sad, but for some reason I continue to open the thread, then end up thinking "what the heck" and close it being glad it is not me being strung along.

SINGH said:

"It took me 8 weeks to finish the tank from scratch. "

" I would guarantee a tank within 25-28 days. "

".... from scratch, finishing it within 7 days..Really, No Kidding!! "

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All in the same post! ...I wish he would make up his mind .. does a tank take 8 weeks, 4 weeks or 1 week?

Dear Mr Singh.

A simple way to allay fears of potential customers would be to encourage customers to use an Escrow service of their choice.. This provides surety for buyer and seller. Not assurances and platitudes but surety.

you could get a lot of cred back by indicating that you would be happy to accept orders using an escrow service.
best wishes bradley

Mr Sing would have no trouble selling tanks if he had stock. obviously placing orders doesnt work successfully. if your product is good they will sell, certainly a demand for good alloy tanks. As a parts supplier I would not feel comfortable taking a customers money without being able to supply the goods up front, Sometimes I will get an order for a pair of nice wheels for a Norton or Norton based project, customers are usually happy to pay up front, I usually tell them wait till I finish the wheels ( about a week or so) I send some pics and then pay me. if they change their mind , no problem , I wont have a problem selling them,

Hey All,

Dave Friesen from the ONE club (Oregon Norton Enthusiasts) has been following this thread and has now agreed to test the tank and post a feedback & review on Access Norton. He will post an honest review, ride test details and a possible video.
Dave Friesen is being backed up by Four Norton riders on the terms of this deal (which i have posted twice in my msgs earlier + below).
Once he is Done with the Review he would send the tank to anyone who wishes to purchase it or to anyone who wants to do an independent second review (given that he has at least 2 Norton riders backing up for the terms of this deal)

Terms of the deal once again - Once you get the tank, you can try it on your frame, ride with it and then post a review on the access Norton forum (as honestly as you prefer). Thereafter, if the quality of the tank is upto your satisfaction, you can purchase the tank by sending a payment my way.
However, if the tank is not upto your expectations, you can re pack it in the same package as it came in and I will have it picked up from your address and have it shipped to my Facility in Portland or Vegas on my expenses.

IMP. - This tank will also be at the 35th Annual Vintage Motorcycle Ride, Show & Swap Meet @ Benton County Fairgrounds, Corvallis, Oregon
on the 16th & 17th of MAY 2015.
Anyone who wants to see, review or even try on their bike is welcome to the event.


B. RAD - "A simple way to allay fears of potential customers would be to encourage customers to use an Escrow service of their choice"

Thanks for the suggestion brother. I am totally open for it.
As far as my understanding goes, Paypal also works on the same lines. After the payment the Buyer has 45 days to reclaim/dispute the payment if things dont go as planned.
Like i said earlier, if anyone places an order for a tank, sends a $$ deposit/advance, I would guarantee a tank within 25-28 days. In case I go over 28 days, I will send the refund on Day 29.
The Buyer/Client will also be entitled to an intervention by PayPal at their discretion and get refund within 45 days of the payment by PayPal if the tank is not delivered.

WALLYB - " It took me 8 weeks to finish the tank from scratch. I would guarantee a tank within 25-28 days..from scratch, finishing it within 7 days "
"I wish he would make up his mind .. does a tank take 8 weeks, 4 weeks or 1 week"


Please allow me to elaborate once again -

8 weeks - For a tank that i have not been paid anything at all yet

25-28 days - For a tank for which i am paid my regular price

1 week - For the tank i am paid FIVE times the price

And i forgot to add - 2 days Express service - For a tank i am paid TEN times the regular price for.
From bare scratch to finish, in 48 hours .. No KIdding !!


FAST EDDIE - "A LEATHER oil tank no less... Ha well, each to their own "

Needless to say, thats an alloy oil tank just covered in leather to match the seat upholstery


Thanks for your time everyone
Best Regards
Singh

http://www.singh-precisions.com

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I say we all give up on this guy.

He promised the tank to a Norton Access member and now is giving it to someone else to test. This guy is not only unreliable, he does not follow through with what he promised even after all this time. I for one am done with this thread.

dennisgb said:

I say we all give up on this guy.

He promised the tank to a Norton Access member and now is giving it to someone else to test. This guy is not only unreliable, he does not follow through with what he promised even after all this time. I for one am done with this thread.

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How do you know it not going to a forum member? :wink:

Sometimes I think I'm in Jo Mamma with this thread.

Sincerely, Singh's Shill.

WOW!
So Mr Singh who has been "working" with me for nearly 9 months and stated clearly he was shipping me the tank 2 weeks ago... is now sending it to someone else. Specifically, Dave Friesen from the ONE club (Oregon Norton Enthusiasts).

Back to reality. The event I was going to show off his tank to 1000's of potential people this Sunday is: http://classicmotorcycleday.org/

We now have the full picture... perhaps Mr Singh is more Bipolar than a shyster.. or both!

Either way, there is no excuse for any of this; and sad. He now has a series of records displaying bizarre characteristics, being inconsistent, and claiming illnesses among other 'explanations". Even his own website has included customers complaining of delays (some for years!)
Its a shame really since he himself wanted us to wait for him and judge him on his product and character. Instead he now has PROVEN he's not good. Possibly ill.

-->FJ

If this was the best tank in the world and only $10 it's not worth the ridiculous amount of prevarication, pissing about and general misdirecting. If Mr. Singh is bona fide he could have answered the simple request of his prospective customer by giving his contact details by private mail. Instead he has consistently come on here and answered questions he has not been asked or else replies to tongue in cheek comments but no answers to the poor chap who is trying very hard and with great patience to do business with him. He has also failed to address the issue of the missing fairing that was paid for and not delivered. Now he has unilaterally declared that the long promissed tank is going to some other worthy recipient rather than the guy who has waited for nearly a year.

I would hazard a guess that nobody on this forum would do business with Mr. Singh after witnessing this charade. I myself have been considering getting a tank from India as I do visit that country from time to time, but I will NOT be considering Mr. Singh's company and will warn anyone who asks to steer clear.

It appears Mr. Singh has received a lot of free advertising here. Unfortunately, for him, most of it is negative. Which is a plus for forum members considering a new tank.

How fun! I realize this has now become the "Theater of the Absurd"; with one willing partner egging us on, that being the mysterious Mr Singh... and me as his enabler SvenSven, voila we have entertainment. That said, I feel we have something beyond a bad businessman or shyster... rather seems a person with real issues. Or if he's a true artist ... he's more of an actor having us on! Which has been entertaining. Like the Cheese Shop Skit with the Python Lads.
Details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Shop_sketch
The real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJhq9eq_eJg

Lastly, since this site is very google linked, it is likely those searching Singh Precisions for tanks or what seems to be his other but less surreal business Singh Saddleries will have plenty of reference data her.

Hopefully we've not heard the last of him and his tank business since a real artist... goes on for their art! Can't imagine a one tank a year strategy is profitable in India or anywhere for that matter.

Oh "Mr Brother Singh!" to use a Singh-ism!
-->FJ

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rx7171 said:

SvenSven said:

.... As a bystander it is almost painful to observe this dodge and weave process that seems not heading to a satisfactory conclusion......

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+1....it is indeed sad, but for some reason I continue to open the thread, then end up thinking "what the heck" and close it being glad it is not me being strung along.

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Uh,,,,,I did it again :shock: