Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics

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Some pics of the short stroke motor Herb is building for my race bike.
It is a 763cc, 78 X 80.4mm stroke motor with a Fullauto big valve head and JS Motorsport lightweight pistons, long rods and beehive valve springs.

The Fullauto head has had big valves put in it, 42mm inlet (4 over) and 35mm exhaust (2 over). This head, generously provided by Fullauto, was an unfinished, unmachined blank without even holes for the valves (don't bother asking him for one). Thus a few extra mods were done to it aside from the big valves. Since there was no hole for the spark plug Herb was able to re-locate the plug about an 1/8" over from where it is normally- it is now directly in the centre between the big valves. If you look at the two Fullauto heads side by side below you can see the difference- the head on the right is a pre- finished customer head (also with a Herb big valve conversion) and the one on the left is the custom head. This also has a smaller 10mm spark plug hole for a smaller plug. If you compare the two heads pictured you can also see that the custom machined head has a smaller combustion chamber for more compression (12.5 to 1) and doesn't have the round recess for the piston top machined into it like any normal Norton head would have. The rocker pivot points in the head were not drilled so Herb opted to raise them a 1/16" to leave more room for the spring pocket.

The crank is a machined from billet piece with a Megacycle cam and there are Herb made pushrods in the there.
I laid out the bits and took a few pics;

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


The crank, JS long rods and lightweight pistons, beehive springs-

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


All the pieces laid out, 850 cases and barrels to start with. A base plate was made up to make the clearances correct with the combustion chamber and the long rods.

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


The custom, machined from an unfinished blank head with it's small combustion chamber, re-located smaller spark plugs-

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


The two Herb big valve Fullauto heads side by side- left is the custom, machined from a blank head, right is the customer head. Notice the spark plug hole and combustion chamber differences. The right head is for the bigger motor to race in Canada and is also going to be lent to a Canadian Bonneville speed record bike-

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


This is a solid, heavy steel adjustable jig Herb made to facilitate the delicate machining of the head-

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


Herb demonstrates his ultra simple tool for measuring port thickness when flowing the head. He has his own flow bench in the shop and could test each variation he tried for improvements in flow. Luckily there is lots of 'meat' in the Fullauto heads for doing exotic flow work to make the big valves work better. Head flow guru Tim Speigelberg helped to give some new ideas using his magic fingers to feel the port and say 'that's not right'-

Fullauto, JS short stroke build pics


Huge thanks to Fullauto, those heads are not just beautiful, they work great too.
Thanks also to Jim at JS Motorsport.

-Doug
 
In two week we will be off to the dyno so hopefully I will have some numbers soon for this...
 
Hi Doug, great stuff, my parent company server wont allow me to view your pics, will do when I am back home though
I will be especially interested in this build and your flow and dyno numbers for that FA head as the bits for my next motor are coming together, one piece crank, SBR cases, probably JS internals and cam, also a FA head that Jim Comstock fettled, although a long stroke with cast barrels and 880 cc
Good luck , regards Mike
 
Great stuff, Doug. What cam and lifter combo are you running? The cam lobes look like something for radiused lifters or rollers, but the pushrods look like they have a ball end, not the cup for the BSA lifters. Are you running stock lifters with a radius, or has Herb come up with something more interesting?

Ken
 
All looks good ! Where are the bottom and top of the power band with your motor, and what shape is the torque curve ? The crank looks very light, how does the bike behave in a stiff breeze ?
 
Doug, you are a kind and generous man indeed for posting this thread :D I love this forum !
Brooking 850-----SBR ! Wow... :mrgreen: I need more money :twisted:
 
Beautiful! I love Norton porn in the morning!
Good luck this year Doug....you won't be lacking power for sure.
Tell Herb I said "Howdy"
Bill Atkins
 
cjandme said:
Doug, you are a kind and generous man indeed for posting this thread :D I love this forum !
Brooking 850-----SBR ! Wow... :mrgreen: I need more money :twisted:


So do I.
 
Au contraire, Doug. if you want an unfinished or partly machined head, ask away. I can provide a head with any degree of machining provided or left out, with enough notice.
 
Fullauto said:
Au contraire, Doug. if you want an unfinished or partly machined head, ask away. I can provide a head with any degree of machining provided or left out, with enough notice.
Awesome !
 
Like seeing a Playboy fold out > but most curious of the rod bolts used this go around>>> which i"d sure want cryo tempered to boot>
 
OK I'm impressed with Herbs work.

Herb's port measuring tool is interesting but its hard to see clearly since you can't see the ends of the tool that are in the port.

I hope you get a little break in time on those pistons and the timing is not too advanced before they go sustained full throttle.
(I sound like a worried mother)
 
jseng1 said:
Herb's port measuring tool is interesting but its hard to see clearly since you can't see the ends of the tool that are in the port.

Assuming both ends are the same spacing and distance from the fulcrum; merely clamp the gauge into the port, then measure the opening at the other end.

'Having trouble deciding if it's the combustion chambers or the crank that's sexier! I can hardly wait for dyno feedback.

Nathan
 
Nater_Potater said:
Assuming both ends are the same spacing and distance from the fulcrum; merely clamp the gauge into the port, then measure the opening at the other end.

Even if different it is as simple as using a multiplier.
 
Very nice looking build there Doug; I am sure it will be fast. Really keen to hear the performance numbers when you get them. What port size and carb size are you going with and if you have not mentioned, what cam are you going with?
 
Doug MacRae said:
In two week we will be off to the dyno so hopefully I will have some numbers soon for this...

Hi Doug,
Is Herb going to use Don Morris of Stay Tuned near Mount Hope A/P YHM?
I would love to show up then...You know be that fly on the wall :mrgreen:
Cheers,
Tom
CNN
 
Hey John; the ports are 35mm and the carbs will be same 38mm Mikunis that we used before. However, when measured exactly inside, those carbs are only 37.5 mm- Herb has some that he bored out to 39 so we will try the 38's and then see if the 39's do any better on the dyno. Herb says that with the Fullauto head, there is loads of material around the ports so going to 35mm was no problem, he could go even bigger- with a stock head you would probably be already broken through at 35mm.

Ken, Herb is using stock lifters with a 3" radius and the cam is a Megacycle SSS

Tom, we will be going to Stay Tuned but don't know when yet, stay posted

The port measuring tool shows exactly the same distance at both ends, a very simple tool that I am sure was around when the pyramids were built

-Doug
 
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