EV drawbacks

The only thing that amazes me is how long it took to do this Uturn !!
So now we have an extra 5 years to double the range of EVs and halve their purchase price and get building some more nuclear power stations to cope with demand 👍👍👍👍
 
He's still a committed globalist...
This move is purely a result of the fact he can't be seen to press on when the EU and America are delaying....(renewable energy failures)
Plus his poll numbers are awful, but he'll bide his time and come again on Carbon Zero if/when he's elected.....for the first time 🤣
 
baz said:
The only thing that amazes me is how long it took to do this Uturn !!
So now we have an extra 5 years to double the range of EVs and halve their purchase price and get building some more nuclear power stations to cope with demand 👍👍👍👍
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Build more nuke power plants.....? All it will take is to have another Fukashima at 12 mile Island or Wales, or elsewhere in the EU, and the Greenies will be quiet when the ban is extended 5 more years.

Slick
 
texasSlick said:
Build more nuke power plants.....? All it will take is to have another Fukashima at 12 mile Island or Wales, or elsewhere in the EU, and the Greenies will be quiet when the ban is extended 5 more years.

Slick
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The nuclear power plant was a bit tongue in cheek
Luckily the UK sits on plenty of coal reserves so we need to get digging in the next few years 👍👍👍👍😂😂😂
 
I don’t think that nuclear power is the solution that many think either.

Nuclear is good for steady state base-load needs. It is not capable of handling peaks. Currently that’s where natural gas comes in, as it’s easy to turn on / off quickly.

What no-one is talking about is that our need to manage peaks is going to increase. Solar and wind are not reliable enough to depend on, so when they take a dip, we need something to step in quickly. Also, EV usage is going to create huge peaks. I know we all like to think we’re individuals etc, but in reality our herd behaviour is massive. Generally speaking, the majority of EV users are gonna be plugging in at the same times, and they have a massive draw, and are going to create massive peaks in demand.

So, I predict that means two things:

1. Natural gas generation is here to stay, no matter what.

2. Electricity supply rationing is gonna be the new normal at some point in the future…

Footnote: my personal apprehension about nuclear power is a military one. They’re nuclear targets in the event of a conflict that create a nuclear catastrophe without the need to use nuclear weapons. Yeah I know, I’m paranoid, but that don’t mean it ain’t real…
 
06/09/2023
Many are questioning the necessity and feasibility of the draconian net zero measures contained in the flagship Energy Bill which cleared the Commons at the third reading on the 05/09/2023, and they're rightly worried property owners facing criminal charges for opposing them....

Under this new legislation, those who fail to adhere to energy consumption regulations could face imprisonment for up to a year and fines of up to £15,000.

www.express.co.uk

Good God! Is Britain really going to jail people who disagree with net zero?

A piece of legislation snuck quietly through Parliament yesterday. If we don't fight it you might very well face jail time for non-compliance with new zero diktats on your home, writes Lois Perry.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 

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Ex PM of Australia Malcolm Turnbull - today.

Ref media manipulation, influence and mis/disinformation - not politics.

Follow the money indeed!

 
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Fast Eddie said:
I don’t think that nuclear power is the solution that many think either.

Nuclear is good for steady state base-load needs. It is not capable of handling peaks. Currently that’s where natural gas comes in, as it’s easy to turn on / off quickly.

What no-one is talking about is that our need to manage peaks is going to increase. Solar and wind are not reliable enough to depend on, so when they take a dip, we need something to step in quickly. Also, EV usage is going to create huge peaks. I know we all like to think we’re individuals etc, but in reality our herd behaviour is massive. Generally speaking, the majority of EV users are gonna be plugging in at the same times, and they have a massive draw, and are going to create massive peaks in demand.

So, I predict that means two things:

1. Natural gas generation is here to stay, no matter what.

2. Electricity supply rationing is gonna be the new normal at some point in the future…

Footnote: my personal apprehension about nuclear power is a military one. They’re nuclear targets in the event of a conflict that create a nuclear catastrophe without the need to use nuclear weapons. Yeah I know, I’m paranoid, but that don’t mean it ain’t real…
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The US, at least, it unwilling to move nuclear power technology into this century so we continue to produce spent fuel that still contains 90% of its capacity to provide power, read this, especially #5: https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-nuclear-fuel We don't really need more nuclear plants, we need better ones. Less plants - less targets. Also, in the 1950's the USAF had SAGE buildings on several bases. They could withstand a direct hit of an atomic bomb and a proximity hit from a hydrogen bomb. (of course, you could never go outside again). Protecting against non-nuclear war is easy enough - just need to do it. No point in protecting from nuclear war - that's the end.

It was announced many years ago that the US had a 500-year supply of natural gas at the predicted usage levels over those 500 years - don't know if true. Clean Natural Gas (not what you have at home), it MUCH cleaner than coal, gasoline or diesel and MUCH dirtier than nuclear. However, if we had switched to natural gas 30-40 years ago, we would not be in talking about global warming so much. Yes, the coal industry would have been hurt. The oil industry, not so much. They still burn off the natural gas they are getting for free from their oil wells!

SAGE: I toured this one twice as a Boy Scout. The outer walls were 18-foot-thick reinforced concrete. There was one window in the massive doors that lead to the freight elevator. The technology was amazing for the day. Thousands of racks of computer equipment running radar systems to keep track of the air and LOT of servicemembers sitting at round radar screens with a "light pen". They would point at a radar blip and the target was identified as friend or foe. http://www.fortwiki.com/McGuire_SAGE_Direction_Center_DC-01 They cost a fortune and were outdated quickly as computer and radar technology improved. The computers were all vacuum tube based.
 
marshg246 said:
It was announced many years ago that the US had a 500-year supply of natural gas at the predicted usage levels over those 500 years - don't know if true. Clean Natural Gas (not what you have at home), it MUCH cleaner than coal, gasoline or diesel and MUCH dirtier than nuclear.
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When the US got on with fracking for gas it was not in any climate agreement, the change from coal to gas reduced CO2 emissions. At the same time Germany was signed up to reduce CO2 emissions, went for Wind and Solar, disrupted their grid, turned off Nuclear and missed their carbon reduction targets. Germany is current opening mines for Brown coal, the worst one for pollution and building power plants to use it.

South Africa is exporting large amounts of coal to Europe for power plants and being paid to reduce their own CO2 emissions at the same time.

At the COP26 UN climate conference in Glasgow when a group of rich countries — the UK, Germany, France and the US — as well as the EU banded together to pledge $8.5bn to help South Africa shift from coal.

Virtue seeking seems to result in the exact opposite happening to that intended.
 
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