Drive Chain Master Link /Spring Clip

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hobot said:
Besides not being a factory issued item and needing special tools and over kill on unsealed chain, nope.
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Specious is the first thing that comes to mind. :D
 
ludwig said:
No question riveting is better , but for chain swap , tire change .. a clip is more practical . No need to break the chain .
If you take a little care , clips are very reliable .
They only fail when you don't carry a spare ..
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Ludwig,
I use a dab of Permatex gasket maker on the clip after its installed. But with the X ring chain I used the Rivit type. I bought many spares. :D
LOL They only fail when you don't carry as spare. Murphy's Law!
Thomas
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hobot said:
Besides not being a factory issued item and needing special tools and over kill on unsealed chain, nope. That is a robust secure looking clip if that's the Iwia style. I've tried various ways to put on and remove clips but have ended up sliding clip on one post fully then lift and swing the end over the 2nd post, click and thats that's. Its does seem to spread legs some but I can't seem to get it to work but the pliers shoving on method.
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I stand with Hobot.

This thread has spun so far out of focus... Why would the OP simply go to a bike shop and buy a NON O-ring, NON HD master link and be done? Instead people can convince him to bring dial verniers, mics, engineering data and such.
 
ludwig said:
Although your explanation makes sense , I still have a hard time accepting that you know something that major chain manufacturers don't know ( or deliberately close their eyes for ..) .
Out of curiosity , I installed a clip on a brand new DID link :

Drive Chain Master Link /Spring Clip


Rock solid !
But still , even if my last chain failure was over 300000 km ago , I will follow your advise and safetywire the clips from now on .
Never too old to learn ..
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I've had two of those clips (that were properly installed) go missing on DID X ring chains and will never use them again in that applixation at least, though fortunately the side plate stayed put in both cases, I only use rivet type links on X and O ring chains now. On my Norton I use standard RK 530 chain with a clip type master link and have had no trouble, they are cheap so I just replace them once a year or so and use a 1% elongation limit, this is standard in the bicycle world and leads to long sprocket life. Also master link dimensions in a given chain size often DO vary significantly between brands and models so interchanging them can potentially lead to trouble...roller size, pitch, width etc. are standardized, but pin diameter and length, plate thickness, etc. are not
 
I've always felt good using the one on the right. It seems much more sturdy. Can you explain it's shortcomings.
Edit: Oops, looks like I got in a little late.

Jaydee
 
Once again there is a reason for O and X rings loosing clips. It does not matter as the
plates are a very good press fit.

I have fitted hundreds or maybe even 1000s. The trick is once the plate and the clip are in place
put a large hammer or block on the back of the connecting, plain plate side. Then give the pins on the clip side
a few good sharp taps with a hammer. People think you are rivetting, your not but you do jar the plate out
against the clip which secures it firmly in place. Again just check the clip on a fitted O ring chain, odds are
it will move.

Again see me at a show and I will demonstrate.

Andy

Ludwig sorry if I offended you with the German comment I have many very good German friends
and quite a few enemies.
 
bluto said:
ludwig said:
Although your explanation makes sense , I still have a hard time accepting that you know something that major chain manufacturers don't know ( or deliberately close their eyes for ..) .
Out of curiosity , I installed a clip on a brand new DID link :

Drive Chain Master Link /Spring Clip


Rock solid !
But still , even if my last chain failure was over 300000 km ago , I will follow your advise and safetywire the clips from now on .
Never too old to learn ..
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I've had two of those clips (that were properly installed) go missing on DID X ring chains and will never use them again in that applixation at least, though fortunately the side plate stayed put in both cases, I only use rivet type links on X and O ring chains now. On my Norton I use standard RK 530 chain with a clip type master link and have had no trouble, they are cheap so I just replace them once a year or so and use a 1% elongation limit, this is standard in the bicycle world and leads to long sprocket life. Also master link dimensions in a given chain size often DO vary significantly between brands and models so interchanging them can potentially lead to trouble...roller size, pitch, width etc. are standardized, but pin diameter and length, plate thickness, etc. are not
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I've found that all well known brands have amazing commonality of size. RK, DID, Tsubaki, EK. While not mandated by industry dimensional criteria (like pitch and width), simple manufacturing rules of economy align many material sizes of wire used for pins, etc.
 
ludwig said:
concours said:
Any standard 530 master link will fit.
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There is no such thing as a standard 530 master link .
Not all chains have the same pin dia . or plate thickness .


Drive Chain Master Link /Spring Clip


LH clip : bad .
RH clip : good
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The last 40 years I used the link as shown on the left of Ludwig's picture. (the "bad" one), on all my bikes.
Never experienced any kind of problem . Is Ludwig's statement a bit exaggerated ? or am I just lucky ? :?
 
Hm, my zero turn vintage mower with four 530 chains, manufacturer sells me links with the whimpy paper clip type, while mc vendors sell me the robuster looking clip. Both types get pried off by grass blades and brush stems, or last time on Trixie, part of a chicken wing, about as often as the other on the mower leaving me going in circles or making motor noises in place. Last 5 yr I've been cutting plain chain off a roll for bike and mower and was surprised and pissed off that I had to buy a variety of master links because some of the pins were too big to fit in links bores. Ugh. So make sure ahead of time that your spares actually fit. If there is a difference in clip security [w/o safe wire] it ain't enough to matter to me. Reminds me of my late younger brother Dale and I argument of which would be worse to be shot with .357 or .45, he won that one with,
"Hell just surprise me!"
 
I saw what Andychain was on about today, new chain coupling, with the heavier looking clip, tight on the split end, mum & dad fit on the other,and it wanted to twist when fitted.
 
Thanks Splatt.

Guys I am outa here, you have too many chain experts already.

For those in OZ and USA where the vast majority of chains sold are asa or Jap...good luck.

The lack of BS chain and expertise is the major reason for the dash to 520 so the bigger chains
will actually fit. I am glad to be in UK where folks can actually come to see me in person and I
can show them the crack.

Its been nice being here, I think, but for the future the people that have pissed on my families
70 years can get on with it, including Alton. Race engine manufacturers who actually subsidise
the motorcycle business appreciate my knowledge even in USA.

My Norton clients in UK have a closer understanding of the problems and have used my skills
and products and this also applies to Europe, see you Wieze. I will of course supply chains
to Nortons but as for the forum I have better things to do with my time than argue about
clips and the merits of O ring.

Bye

Andy
 
splatt said:
I saw what Andychain was on about today, new chain coupling, with the heavier looking clip, tight on the split end, mum & dad fit on the other,and it wanted to twist when fitted.
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You're doing it wrong.
 
Bad form that just up and leaving,where is my Iwis chain :?: :lol:
Email sent as directed some five days ago and no reply to date,looks like I will have to buy one of those wonky Renold chains where the cardboard box is the only part 'Made in the UK and the chain is made from recycled hub caps off Indian taxis.
 
concours said:
splatt said:
I saw what Andychain was on about today, new chain coupling, with the heavier looking clip, tight on the split end, mum & dad fit on the other,and it wanted to twist when fitted.
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You're doing it wrong.
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Please explain
 
The "wanted to twist" part. I put them on with bare fingers, no twisting. Lay perfectly flat when done. Most importantly, it flexes the "easy" way, and does not spread the clip the "hard" way. That ensures the spring steel clips original tension is retained. Taking it off has to be done gently so the clip isn't "sprung" then as well.
To install: set the clip perpendicular to the chain run, place it over one pin, engage the groove in the pin. Rotate down until right beside the other pin, being careful to make sure the first end stays engaged. Lift only ONE side of the clip JUST enough to go over the 2nd pin, at the same time rotating into final position. Push the clip over the pin into the groove. Simple, huh?

Possible you have a low quality master/clip that doesn't fit well once installed?
 
Recieved a master link and spring clip from AndyChain today as promised, he also quoted me £ 42 + shipping for a 99 link 530 chain with a crank link. When I do the conversion into $Can considering £ 20 to ship, it would be about $100 . I'll certainly get consider him when my 100 link chain reaches the end of the adjustment range. 1/2 inch to go...
 
Not bad form to leave just dont want the crap and they are so many
chain experts on here already.

Andy
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well Andy, I personally want to thank you for taking your time away from the Laverda forum to visit us.

I learned some things about chains from your postings.

You do seem pretty think skinned telling us you just can't handle the "crap" here and also you are offended that people here don't just bow down and accept everything you say without their own comments.

No one here that I know of told you that your postings were crap, and clearly you want to be the only
chain "expert" here, guess what.....while we here don't sell chains like you do, many of us have been buying and installing chains for decades and yes, we are not novices clinging to every word you say as gospel.

If you do decide to come back and visit here, maybe try being more tolerant and less self righteous.
 
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