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Developments In Magnesium Can corrosion be stopped?
September 10, 2013 By Kevin Cameron 1 Comment
Photographer : Gordon Cameron

Magnesium tile

I stared at a strange brightness on the point of the lathe tool as I machined a brake-disc carrier. Then, I understood. Cutting friction had ignited magnesium chips. Brilliant, white light flared. White smoke billowed to the ceiling and then died away as the fuel was exhausted. I hardly had time to think, “Pooh-bah, I’ve burned my shop down!”

Magnesium is that compromised metal whose lightness is so attractive (much cheaper than similarly light beryllium!) but whose softness, ease of catching fire and rapid corrosion have made engineers think twice. In 1972, when the late mag-wheel pioneer, Elliott Morris, asked his friend at Lockheed why magnesium wheels were no longer used on aircraft, the reply was, “We don’t use that damn metal anymore. Now, we have engines that’ll lift anything!” In the 1930s, Velocette’s racing manager, Harold Willis, called magnesium “trouble metal.”

A good many racing motorcycles have had lightweight magnesium case covers (today, on factory prototypes, they are carbon fiber). The cam-chain covers on AJS 7Rs and Matchless G-50s were painted a distinctive gold color, and factory Kawasaki H2-R 750s had primary-gear covers protected from corrosion by the Dow-19 chemical process, which produced a gold color. That color, and a competing matte brown found on the mag carbs of Yamaha factory 0W-31 750s, shouted, “Secret factory stuff—not for you!”

In the back lot of the New England Air Museum was an 18-cylinder radial engine whose beautifully cast mag nosecase and accessory sections had corroded to masses of white powder, exposing the gears and other parts within. Metallurgists say that all metals seek to return to being ore—metal oxides, sulfides and the like. That happens because metals are chemically reactive, especially vulnerable to combining with oxygen from the atmosphere. Schemes to stop corrosion operate mainly by excluding oxygen and water from the surface or by chemically altering the metal’s surface to reduce its reactivity.

Corroded oil-pump rotorAn oil-pump rotor from an R-3350 engine, surrounded by white magnesium corrosion product, with the pieces held together by stainless safety wire.

Stainless steel contains a substantial percentage of chromium, which, by combining with atmospheric oxygen to produce chromium oxide, forms an oxygen barrier that protects the majority constituent, iron, from doing what it otherwise does so quickly: rust.

We’ve all seen brand-new steel bridges that are rust brown; this is a Cor-Ten steel alloy developed in the 1930s. Normally, as steel rusts, the oxide layer expands, breaking flakes loose from the metal beneath in a process called “exfoliation.” But “weathering steels,” such as Cor-Ten, are altered to stop this expansion, allowing the oxide layer to remain strongly attached, preventing further corrosion.

In the case of magnesium, the idea of luring the oxygen to a more reactive constituent led to adding two percent of even more reactive calcium to the mix. The resulting surface layer of calcium oxide then protects the magnesium. Combustion is just runaway oxidation, so this addition of calcium also raises magnesium’s normal ignition temperature of about 1170 Fahrenheit by 350 to 550 degrees, making it generally unnecessary to machine the resulting alloy in an oxygen-free atmosphere to prevent ignition of hot machining chips.

Another approach seeks to stop the action of electrolytic cells on the surface of the magnesium. Trace metals in the magnesium—iron, nickel, copper and cobalt—form intermetallic clusters. Because their electrons are bound at a different energy from those of magnesium, if you add water, you can form an electric cell. This is just like poking strips of copper and zinc into a lemon and then finding there is a voltage difference from one strip to the other.

The operation of these cells is similar to the electrolysis of water experiment so many of us performed in high school chem lab: Oxygen is produced at one electrode and hydrogen at the other. In the case of magnesium, the oxygen readily combines with it to form corrosion.



Indeed, magnesium is commonly used as a sacrificial electrode to prevent the corrosion of underwater steel structures.

Corroded F-102 cockpit panelF-102 cockpit panel, showing many holes from the formation of corrosion cells.

In the accompanying photo of a corroded Convair F-102 cockpit panel, you can see that such corrosion cells, operating at every point where a crack in the protective paint allowed, have eaten their way right through the material. One way to prevent this is to eliminate the trace metals, but this level of refinement is too expensive to be widely used.

A group at Monash University in Australia, directed by Associate Professor Nick Birbilis, has adopted the approach of using a “cathodic poison” to greatly slow magnesium corrosion. In other alloy systems, materials such as antimony, selenium or tellurium effectively “unplug” corrosion cells. The group found that adding one third of one percent arsenic to magnesium reduced corrosion 90 percent. Such “poisons” stop the reaction by preventing single hydrogen atoms, produced by the electrolytic reaction, from giving up electrons as they join in pairs to make hydrogen molecules. The arsenic combines with the bare single hydrogen atoms, stopping the reaction. With electron flow halted, magnesium cannot “become ore.”

Even though the need for lighter-weight vehicles has increased the use of magnesium for such applications as seat frames,



it is pointed out that only 1/50th as much magnesium is used as aluminum.



With improved corrosion resistance available at low cost, thanks to the Monash University research, magnesium may find many more applications.
 
Where I did my apprenticeship they made helicopters, amongst others, Westland Wessexs, basically a Sikorsky (or was it Bell??) under licence. Anyway these things had large amounts of mag alloy as fuselage skinning, and the main gearbox casting was magnesium alloy. All metal was subject to a high standard of anti corrosion treatment, these things were used on ships after all. A Wessex had an engine failure whilst over the Solent, and had to ditch. All the crew got out with no injuries except to their pride and getting their feet wet. The ditching happened late in the afternoon, and a recovery wasn't possible until the following day. So it was recovered from its watery resting place, and placed on the works slipway. It had been in the sea for less than 24 hours. Most of the fuselage skinning had gone, and the main gearbox casing had holes that you could put a clenched fist in.
From an engineering perspective a very interesting material, but it has major problems in the real world!
cheers
wakeup
 
Very informative articles. Magnesium can ignite by friction in the event of a motorcycle going down. Blown tires on aircraft could ignite mag wheels. There's titanium for anyone wanting a strong lightweight alloy...but you must have a millionaires budget......
 
Re; “In the back lot of the New England Air Museum was an 18-cylinder radial engine whose beautifully cast mag nose case and accessory sections had corroded to masses of white powder, exposing the gears and other parts within. Metallurgists say that all metals seek to return to being ore—metal oxides, sulphides and the like. That happens because metals are chemically reactive, especially vulnerable to combining with oxygen from the atmosphere. Schemes to stop corrosion operate mainly by excluding oxygen and water from the surface or by chemically altering the metal’s surface to reduce its reactivity.” Quote.

Road salt will also do this to this to mag alloy, a clear case of not using your machine in the winter months when the roads are salted :!: :( :shock:
 
Bernhard said:
Road salt will also do this to this to mag alloy, a clear case of not using your machine in the winter months when the roads are salted :!: :( :shock:

Salt will also do this to aluminium, and even to steel.
Perhaps not as fast though.
They are just machines - wash them off, and use them... ?
 
When we lived in the UK, neighbours used to think that I was completely insane, because I (we really, the boss was on the back) would arrive home, and Jan would go and put the kettle on, feed the cat, and I would hose the bike down, sometimes I even used to dry it off!! Then they used to complain that their car/bike/umbrella was going rusty because of the salt!
Ah, the wonders of Winter in the UK!
cheers
wakeup
 
A friend wanted to remove baked on castrol R from the crankcases of his Norton 40M. Gave them to an engiine builder who smartly hydroblasted them to a nice shiny finish. The Elektron was probably the type used in Merlin engines for the Spitfires. During WW2 a conversion coating to a UK MInistry of Technology DTD spec. was used. These days there is a wide choice of anti corrosion processes based on material composition, the problem is how do you get a chemical analysis of valuable Manx Norton crankcases ?
 
The formula for dichromating magnesium bits is not hard to find, or do.
You boil them up in this witches brew, and then rinse off and let dry.
Manganese somethingorother is the colouring agent for the black colour.

Have it safely transcribed on a bit of paper, somewhere.
Any shop that handles aircraft magnesium bits would know this and could do this.
You have to specify it needs to be black, or it will come out a (military) green shade ?!
 
Rohan said:
The formula for dichromating magnesium bits is not hard to find, or do.
You boil them up in this witches brew, and then rinse off and let dry.
Manganese somethingorother is the colouring agent for the black colour.

Have it safely transcribed on a bit of paper, somewhere.
Any shop that handles aircraft magnesium bits would know this and could do this.
You have to specify it needs to be black, or it will come out a (military) green shade ?!

All the magnesium alloy parts on the helicopters were treated with a sort of transparent dark brown stuff. There were all sorts of processes in place for treating cut edges and chips. Sheet metal parts would come off of the router with scalpel sharp (sharper than razor sharp) edges, they had to be de-burred with a radius. The lucky deburring people had to wear leather gloves, apparently blood makes mag alloy corrode!! The parts had to be deburred and the raw edges treated within a fairly short time, maybe less than 1 hour.
When I had to work for a living I had to write the machining process for mag alloy, the fire risk is very real.
The use of mag alloy when forming, cutting etc is required should be very carefully investigated, before bogging in to it.
cheers
wakeup
 
It’s not just mag alloy that is a fire risk, in one company I temporary worked for, they had to call the local fire brigade out on at least 2 occasions to pot out firs in their outdoor alloy scrap that somehow had been ignited by the hot sunshine.
What did this company manufacture :?:
they made fire extinguishers :!:
 
I've welded up magnesium, as a practice exercise.
Not so easy to set it on fire, if done correctly.
Unless in very thin sections.

You'd wonder what the firebrigade could do, about the only thing that will put it out is sand.
Something else would have had to trigger a fire in a scrapyard, the ignition temp is hundreds of degrees.

Brown dichromate solution sounds like its manganese coloured, but a weak solution.
A stronger mix makes a black coating, like Nortons used.
Can't recall seeing anything military with a brown colour, they are usually very thorough, that wouldn't meet mil spec ?
 
The material used to come in sheets with pre-applied brown stuff. I've got no idea what it was, but handling and working with magnesium alloy was both a delight and a terror. Delight because it would cut and form so nicely with the right techniques, terror because a freshly cut, undeburred edge could give you a very nasty bleeder without you even noticing until you saw the red ......

I used to have a sideline making simple toolboxes (in my lunchbreak!) At one stage I could make one in two lunchbreaks. Because I could, I made a few out of mag alloy. Yes I know it was overkill. As I knew the Paint Shop Foreman, I was going out with his daughter at the time, he would apply the correct finish and paint them whatever was in the gun at the time. You could get white, dark blue, sickly green, red etc almost at random. The mag ones had a noticeably shorter life than the al. alloy ones, all those tools rattling around in them. I still had a couple when I packed up to move to Australia, gave them to a neighbour complete with contents (windy drills, air hoses, special joggle strips which he would have wondered about I'm sure) the neighbour also had a 650SS!!

Right now I have some bits of mag alloy quietly corroding away in my shed

cheers
wakeup
 
I've got the magnesium fire starter ya shave some into a small pile then send sparks at it with the steel rod scrapping. i"d sure love to fit magnesium wheels if they just last me riding life time left and could find and afford em of course. TTI sells a magnesium trany box for extra.
 
Rohan said:
Can't recall seeing anything military with a brown colour, they are usually very thorough, that wouldn't meet mil spec ?


That’s because they try to camouflage everything by painting it green/brown/ sand :!:
 
Painting magnesium bits is kind of self-defeating - hides the cracks that most older magnesium type alloys are rather prone to
OK if you are the military, they just order lots of them - and throw them away when their time has expired...

P.S. This front hub was recently on evilpay.
Note the crack at about 9 o'clock.
V common sight on old magnesium - not usually as visible as this though.
Goodness knows what someone is going to do with this ... (use as a pattern ?).

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The formula for dichromating magnesium bits is not hard to find, or do.
You boil them up in this witches brew, and then rinse off and let dry.
Manganese somethingorother is the colouring agent for the black colour.

Have it safely transcribed on a bit of paper, somewhere.
Any shop that handles aircraft magnesium bits would know this and could do this.
You have to specify it needs to be black, or it will come out a (military) green shade ?!

Rohan Posts: 3327Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:30 am'

And you would do this to a set of crankcases from an ex-works Manx Norton ??
 
Its merely the magnesium version of anodising.

Thats how Nortons did it - or their magnesium parts supplier
And how any reputable aircraft shop still does it today.
And how replica magnesium bits suppliers still do it today.

Untreated Mg bits crumble back to dust if left untreated. Literally.
Don't dilly dally, or they won't be worth doing....

What did Harold Willis, prewar Velo ex-racing-supremo call magnesium - "electrified dirt" - one of his many famous 'Willicisms'.
 
I looked at this problem many years ago when I had access to UK Ministry of Technology DTD specifications. I believe that DTD 934 was the spec, however I cannot remember whether it was an anodic process or a conversion coating. I cannot find those old specs on the web, however these days the processes are tailored to suit various compositions of magnesium alloys. I don't think it is as simple as just choosing a process at random, and there is no easy way of getting a chemical analysis of the cases. The results could be a manx engine covered in white powder after standing in the garage for a few years . At present the crankcases are probably inside my friend's warm house . He is well aware of the corrosion problem.
Do you have any document describing the process which was originally used for Norton components ?
 
Ken McIntosh in NZ is still doing elektron castings for Norton stuff, zactly as original.
Stu Rogers in UK is also still doing his inter stuff as Nortons did, freely gives out the formula.
Ask them ?

Old elektron casting are notorious for cracks, have him have it x-rayed before using again.
Thats where much of this reproduction stuff impetus came from....
 
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