Counteract glass beads

They suck..... and here's why. I had truck tires that had almost no mileage on them but they were 9 years old. I mounted them myself because tire places won't mount or even HS balance a tire if it's over 8 years old. (insurance thing they say, but they really want to make you buy new tires) So,... I mounted them myself by hand, but they were not well balanced. I used the balance beads and here's my results.

When your vehicle is stopped, your tire is not balanced. As the tire rolls, it moves the beads around and the beads work because you have dampers. Any shock to the wheel (and beads inside) is resisted by the damper. That resistance to the wheel movement can not resist the beads movement, so the beads move until the force is balanced.... That is the way the beads work. If you don't have good damping because of old shocks, the beads work less efficiently.

Next, Every time you hit a pot hole and your tire gets a shock to it, the balance is upset until the wheel has to roll forward a certain amount of rotations to reestablish the balance again. The more out of balance your tire is, the longer the tire has to roll to regain the balance. That means that your tire spends time out of balance from pot hole hits and every time you slow down to a crawl and beads settle to the bottom of the tire. If you have a tire that is really far out of balance, you can drive for miles before it settles down into balance from the beads (I know from experience)

In my own case, eventually I met a guy who has his own tire machine and high speed balancer and he agreed to unmount one side of my truck tires, suck out the beads, and high speed balance my truck tires. One of my 4 tires was 3.5 ounces out of balance and I believe that was the tire that made the balance beads a poor solution for balancing my tires. It was to the point where it was very noticeable how long it took for my tires to settle down and the ride to feel smooth....

Once I had high speed balanced tires, my truck always rides smoothly now because tires with high speed balancing with fixed weights are always in balance and don't need to roll forward to work the beads into a balanced position every time the tire stops and restarts.... The essence of it is that if your tire balance is already close, the tire will rebalance quicker than a tire that is more out of balance before adding any balance solution.

You have to wonder how balance beads work during hard braking? Do these thousands of beads that are moving forward and are fixed to the inside of the tire now go rocketing forward around the inside of the tire when you panic brake?? How is the tire balance maintained under heavy braking??

I wouldn't use balance beads after my own personal experience trying to make them work. A high speed balanced wheel is always better......
 
Do not agree it takes a long time for beads to find their counter balance point when disturbed. You can see beads working inside an SUV tire on the road here:



Every rotation at lower speeds gives the beads a bounce as the tire flexs when in contact with road surface....as speed goes up, beads settle in within a second or two where they remain until slowing down again...even when hitting potholes at speed.

Here is the best explanation of how they actually work I have seen:

 
They suck..... and here's why. I had truck tires that had almost no mileage on them but they were 9 years old. I mounted them myself because tire places won't mount or even HS balance a tire if it's over 8 years old. (insurance thing they say, but they really want to make you buy new tires) So,... I mounted them myself by hand, but they were not well balanced. I used the balance beads and here's my results.

When your vehicle is stopped, your tire is not balanced. As the tire rolls, it moves the beads around and the beads work because you have dampers. Any shock to the wheel (and beads inside) is resisted by the damper. That resistance to the wheel movement can not resist the beads movement, so the beads move until the force is balanced.... That is the way the beads work. If you don't have good damping because of old shocks, the beads work less efficiently.

Next, Every time you hit a pot hole and your tire gets a shock to it, the balance is upset until the wheel has to roll forward a certain amount of rotations to reestablish the balance again. The more out of balance your tire is, the longer the tire has to roll to regain the balance. That means that your tire spends time out of balance from pot hole hits and every time you slow down to a crawl and beads settle to the bottom of the tire. If you have a tire that is really far out of balance, you can drive for miles before it settles down into balance from the beads (I know from experience)

In my own case, eventually I met a guy who has his own tire machine and high speed balancer and he agreed to unmount one side of my truck tires, suck out the beads, and high speed balance my truck tires. One of my 4 tires was 3.5 ounces out of balance and I believe that was the tire that made the balance beads a poor solution for balancing my tires. It was to the point where it was very noticeable how long it took for my tires to settle down and the ride to feel smooth....

Once I had high speed balanced tires, my truck always rides smoothly now because tires with high speed balancing with fixed weights are always in balance and don't need to roll forward to work the beads into a balanced position every time the tire stops and restarts.... The essence of it is that if your tire balance is already close, the tire will rebalance quicker than a tire that is more out of balance before adding any balance solution.

You have to wonder how balance beads work during hard braking? Do these thousands of beads that are moving forward and are fixed to the inside of the tire now go rocketing forward around the inside of the tire when you panic brake?? How is the tire balance maintained under heavy braking??

I wouldn't use balance beads after my own personal experience trying to make them work. A high speed balanced wheel is always better......
Amen.
The laws of physics remain.
 
Amen.
The laws of physics remain.

EXACTLY RIGHT!!! YOU SIR ARE A GENIUS 😆


They work because the rolling wheel spins the mass and the suspension's damper resistance force which keeps the wheel from bouncing also causes the beads to move. Once the beads move towards a balance, the suspension works less because the beads will be alleviating the imbalance of mass that makes the wheel "bounce". At that point anything that causes a wheel to move vertically also moves the beads so the process of balance and imbalance is constantly ongoing... That can be a bump in the road, slowing down, or braking... I think we do a lot of that and roads have a lot of bumps...

Physics says that the balance bead mechanism would work best (meaning balance the tire as quickly as possible when it moves) with the least possible amount of beads necessary for the tire to achieve balance because more mass takes more time to move. The extra imbalance that your tire has with "more" beads, takes longer to balance.....

Physics also says that balance beads would work best on tires that are very close to being already perfectly balanced because the beads have less out of balance mass to compensate for. A tire that is far out of balance (like one of mine was) took a long time to balance out, and then every time I slowed down, stopped, or hit a bump, it had to restart the process...

If I go to panic brake, do the beads upset the tire balance? Can I afford to loose traction from suspension imbalance when I am panic braking??.....

Regardless of what you would like to think,... having a HS tire balance means that your tire is always optimized for balance. There's no rolling force needed to optimize your tire balance to eliminate the poor handling effects of an imbalance tire.... If you were an 18 wheeler driving 65mph on a highway for 8 hours straight, it's a good way to balance a bunch of tires on a trailer that you don't even own rather than pay to have each tire high speed balanced,... but on my sport motorcycle, no thanks....
 
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But even wit ha perfectly balanced tire on a dynamic balancer, that is not going to be in perfect balance when on the road and the tire is flexing with car weight...the radius of the tire is always made smaller where it is in contact with the road surface, as can clear be seen in the the video inside the tire while driving. So a fixed counterweight cannot be perfectly balanced due to that effect. The beads, if correctly sized/coated, do immediately migrate and will not take more than a couple of rotations to re-position, as can be seen inside the tire video. It is possible your guy that did the setup for you did not use proper beads, used some tire mounting goop that mess up stuff, didn't use correct weight of beads who knows.
 
They work because the rolling wheel spins the mass and the suspension's damper resistance force which keeps the wheel from bouncing also causes the beads to move. Once the beads move towards a balance, the suspension works less because the beads will be alleviating the imbalance of mass that makes the wheel "bounce". At that point anything that causes a wheel to move vertically also moves the beads so the process of balance and imbalance is constantly ongoing... That can be a bump in the road, slowing down, or braking... I think we do a lot of that and roads have a lot of bumps...

Physics says that the balance bead mechanism would work best (meaning balance the tire as quickly as possible when it moves) with the least possible amount of beads necessary for the tire to achieve balance because more mass takes more time to move. The extra imbalance that your tire has with "more" beads, takes longer to balance.....

Physics also says that balance beads would work best on tires that are very close to being already perfectly balanced because the beads have less out of balance mass to compensate for. A tire that is far out of balance (like one of mine was) took a long time to balance out, and then every time I slowed down, stopped, or hit a bump, it had to restart the process...

If I go to panic brake, do the beads upset the tire balance? Can I afford to loose traction from suspension imbalance when I am panic braking??.....

Regardless of what you would like to think,... having a HS tire balance means that your tire is always optimized for balance. There's no rolling force needed to optimize your tire balance to eliminate the poor handling effects of an imbalance tire.... If you were an 18 wheeler driving 65mph on a highway for 8 hours straight, it's a good way to balance a bunch of tires on a trailer that you don't even own rather than pay to have each tire high speed balanced,... but on my sport motorcycle, no thanks....
Wow.

I am a poor communicator.
I thought I was agreeing with you.
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I put them in my Suzuki Mr. Turbo. I didn't want to use an ugly weight on an EPM magnesium wheel. They worked OK at legal speeds and I was happy with them. When I had it dyno'ed the rear wheel started violently hopping from around 105 MPH, and the tuner had to strap it down. I was a bit peeved he didn't tell me, and balance it with weights, as I think I lost some HP. The tuner wasn't a fan of them (beads, that is). Maybe I didn't use the right amount, it was the first (and only) time I tried them. Just a different aspect to share.

Counteract glass beads
 
I put them in my Suzuki Mr. Turbo. I didn't want to use an ugly weight on an EPM magnesium wheel. They worked OK at legal speeds and I was happy with them. When I had it dyno'ed the rear wheel started violently hopping from around 105 MPH, and the tuner had to strap it down. I was a bit peeved he didn't tell me, and balance it with weights, as I think I lost some HP. The tuner wasn't a fan of them (beads, that is). Maybe I didn't use the right amount, it was the first (and only) time I tried them. Just a different aspect to share.

Counteract glass beads
HAH!!!

Humble brag!!!
💪🏻👊🏻🏁

I love it!!

A buck-and-a-quarter at the rear wheel!!!🕙


Edit: wait, what? Blurry.... 182?!?!?!? at 125mph...
Please clarify...
 
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When I am developing a motorcycle, I like a degree of certainty. There is enough danger without creating more. I do not rely on randomness.
 
Yes, still using the prefilled CounterAct tubes in my Commando and will likely use them next tire change for the Velocette also.

I guess a more definitive test would be to run a set of tires with no beads nor static balancing weights....ideally with a known out of balance condition....perhaps just slap on a weight to put it out of balance for tests...then assess vibrations at speed before installing balance beads and re-assessing.

I have heard that good balance is not really needed until reaching speeds of 60 or more mph, depending on wheel diameters, so testing would need to take that into account.
If you are on a lean in the middle of a corner, there is a difference between riding a single cylinder four stroke bike and riding a twin cylinder four stroke bike - which is in the way the tyre behaves when it transmits power. For most people that difference is if no consequence until they really need traction.
 
I offer them here in my shop. Counteract brand makes a very high-quality inner tube in my experience, that has the beads already installed. I have just over 25k miles on them (through multiple sets of tires) for both on and off road and I just filled my van tires with them.

They are the next evolution in balancing. Wheel weights are old hat now. I believe I have installed over 50 sets and not one complaint. I very often get a call that "my bike has never been so smooth!"

My van feels like its riding on air. It's amazing how much we'll adapt to a nervous feeling vehicle. Especially a motorcycle and shrug it off as "character". My bikes are smooth regardless of how fast or slow I am riding.

As a representative of my customers - 50+ votes for beads to balance your tires. The brand you choose it up to you.
I am not paid to tell you this. I am very impressed, and I try hard not to be a luddite when it comes to sensible upgrades.
 
I put them in my Suzuki Mr. Turbo. I didn't want to use an ugly weight on an EPM magnesium wheel. They worked OK at legal speeds and I was happy with them. When I had it dyno'ed the rear wheel started violently hopping from around 105 MPH, and the tuner had to strap it down. I was a bit peeved he didn't tell me, and balance it with weights, as I think I lost some HP. The tuner wasn't a fan of them (beads, that is). Maybe I didn't use the right amount, it was the first (and only) time I tried them. Just a different aspect to share.

Counteract glass beads
Your graphic shows speeds well over 105mph...135+mph?
 
Your graphic shows speeds well over 105mph...135+mph?
That is from my Suzuki GS1100E ex-Bonneville racer, not a Norton. Just showing what it did at high speed. Best run was just shy of 184MPH back in '85, and it was street-registered!
 
We tried them as a shop and then became really worried about liability. I think beads and even systems like Centramatic(they start working at 20mph) have their place, but there is a reason why manufacturers continue to use wheel weights.

Imagine this scenario: A customer suffers an injury due to a tire-related issue. The incident leads to a lawsuit. Now you’re sitting across from a plaintiff’s attorney in a deposition, or worse, in front of a jury, and you're asked to explain your process. Instead of citing a calibrated, documented wheel balancing procedure, you must admit that you tossed a bag of balancing beads into the tire. There’s no printout, no recorded specs, no confirmation of the imbalance corrected — just your word that “it usually works.”

Then comes the expert testimony. The plaintiff has a certified motorcycle technician or mechanical engineer explaining standard industry practices: using a calibrated wheel balancer, identifying specific imbalance points, and applying documented counterweights to achieve known tolerances.

Now it’s your turn. What expert witness will you bring in to testify that a bag of loose ceramic/glass beads, with no diagnostic baseline, no adjustment record, and no proof of correction, is more accurate or reliable than calibrated equipment? Who will say, under oath, that this method meets or exceeds OEM or DOT service standards? What is your answer when asked how many beads went into the tire?

This isn’t just a question of preference — it’s one of professional accountability. In a legal setting, the absence of documentation and the reliance on a non-verifiable process could seriously compromise your defense and raise questions about the shop’s diligence and standard of care.

If you are in a sue-happy state like California, you worry about these things if you're a smart business person.

Also, again in a shop setting we get really pissed off when a customer fails to mention he has beads or tire slime in tubeless tires. We must take extra care to prevent them from falling out.

What's really funny is Counteract sponsors MotoAmerica, but in their own product literature, they state "Counteract does not endorse and assumes no liability for use in aircraft tires, or racing applications" !!!

Lastly, all you need to know about beads is to tour the pits at motorcycle races, and you won't see any of those beads going into tires. You might see a sponsor occasionally, but those won't go into a race tire.

Until the technology works for all tires, especially passenger tires, I think weights are the safe way to go.
 
We tried them as a shop and then became really worried about liability. I think beads and even systems like Centramatic(they start working at 20mph) have their place, but there is a reason why manufacturers continue to use wheel weights.

Imagine this scenario: A customer suffers an injury due to a tire-related issue. The incident leads to a lawsuit. Now you’re sitting across from a plaintiff’s attorney in a deposition, or worse, in front of a jury, and you're asked to explain your process. Instead of citing a calibrated, documented wheel balancing procedure, you must admit that you tossed a bag of balancing beads into the tire. There’s no printout, no recorded specs, no confirmation of the imbalance corrected — just your word that “it usually works.”

Then comes the expert testimony. The plaintiff has a certified motorcycle technician or mechanical engineer explaining standard industry practices: using a calibrated wheel balancer, identifying specific imbalance points, and applying documented counterweights to achieve known tolerances.

Now it’s your turn. What expert witness will you bring in to testify that a bag of loose ceramic/glass beads, with no diagnostic baseline, no adjustment record, and no proof of correction, is more accurate or reliable than calibrated equipment? Who will say, under oath, that this method meets or exceeds OEM or DOT service standards? What is your answer when asked how many beads went into the tire?

This isn’t just a question of preference — it’s one of professional accountability. In a legal setting, the absence of documentation and the reliance on a non-verifiable process could seriously compromise your defense and raise questions about the shop’s diligence and standard of care.

If you are in a sue-happy state like California, you worry about these things if you're a smart business person.

Also, again in a shop setting we get really pissed off when a customer fails to mention he has beads or tire slime in tubeless tires. We must take extra care to prevent them from falling out.

What's really funny is Counteract sponsors MotoAmerica, but in their own product literature, they state "Counteract does not endorse and assumes no liability for use in aircraft tires, or racing applications" !!!

Lastly, all you need to know about beads is to tour the pits at motorcycle races, and you won't see any of those beads going into tires. You might see a sponsor occasionally, but those won't go into a race tire.

Until the technology works for all tires, especially passenger tires, I think weights are the safe way to go.
I have zero qualifications here, just a pure layman’s understanding. And with that, I do struggle to visualise these things working in a racing context. I think the rapid and extreme changes in speed and forces caused by hard braking, accelerating and cornering, would mean that the beads just never got chance to ‘catch up’ before the forces changed again.
 
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