“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”

Bakepl said:
Sorry I should have posted;

You will require TCDR1x5, our Australian importer can assist with a purchase.
JOHN TITMAN RACING SERVICE PTY LTD
0061 73245 7499
www.jtr.com.au
sales@jtr.com.au

Looked up the importer and not far from me, phone number little different from one supplied:

Unit 3 / 38 -44 Enterprise St
Cleveland, QLD 4163
07 3286 4862
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Much appreciated. They are not listed as an online order item. I sent an email seeking advice on ordering them.
 
A little update on the cush rubber experiments.

This is a picture of the Gale Speed universal cush rubbers I ordered from Japan.

“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”


Unfortunately, they don't fit. They are a little too large on the OD, and with the metal sleeve removed they would still be too small on the ID. I could probably make them fit by skimming the OD slightly and using normal 10 mm socket head bolts in place of the stock ones (they have the correct head OD to fit the metal bushings), but that would be more work than just making replacements. I also noticed that they are made of a much harder material, more like Shore 95A than 80A.

Next up is making new rubbers from tube stock. This is a picture of a 6" tube of Shore 80A polyurethane rubber, with the rubber I made next to it. The steel bar in the tube is to keep it round in the lathe chuck.

“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”


This is a picture of the new rubber next to an original in the Talon hub.

“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”


And a picture of the hub with new rubber and driving bolt. It's raised up a bit to show the detail.

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The process I used to make it was to drill the center of the tube out to size first, and then part it off at the right length. I used a larger drill than the final size I wanted, because the tube expands during drilling, but I still ended up with a little to small a hole. I finished the hole to size with an abrasive roll in a die grinder. If I were going to make more of them, I'd make a proper size tool to cut the ID, but in this case I just wanted to show how simple it is to make them. This is a picture of the setup I cobbled up to part the tube off. It leaves a very nice finished surface, and is quite accurate.

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I think that's as far as I'm going with this.

In summary:

1. Buy some spares now direct from Talon if you can still get them.

2. When they become unavailable, your options are to either make new ones from tubing stock, machine the Talon hub to take one of the available rubbers for other wheels and buy new 10 mm driving bolts to suit them, or make molds and pour new ones from an appropriate grade of casting urethane.

3. Or, buy the replacement BST wheels. I bought mine through a Norton dealer and the factory, which is apparently no longer possible, but I would expect you could deal directly with BST, or from a friendly BST dealer.

Ken
 
I might even consider purchasing some rims. Know of any good brands that can fit? Really appreciate your efforts and sharing the knowledge, Ken.
 
“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”
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Hello Ken , You make it look easy ! But in reality most of us would have a hard time of it. When I run out of Talon cush rubbers and they run out of stock , I will go the route of getting the hub machined to fit the BST cush rubbers. I suppose I should buy a set of those BST types for the machine shop measurments when the time comes. By the way guys , the TCDR-1 Talon cush rubbers can be purchased in the USA by going to DUBYA Inc in California and they are authorized by Talon to order and sell to US/Canada . In the UK , you can go direct to Talon or any Talon dealer . The durometer or hardness of the newest cush rubbers is the best so far I have ever seen . If Norton had been using these from day one we might never have been complaining !
 
Britfan60 said:
Much appreciated. They are not listed as an online order item. I sent an email seeking advice on ordering them.
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Called JTR, not exactly helpful and couldn't identify the part number then told me I need 8 (clearly 10) $18 each AU

Have sent TonyA's pic of the rubbers in Talon packet to help them out, will see what they come back with.
 
Bakepl said:
Hi, Not sure if this has been discussed but I recently sent Talon an email enquiring about the 961 cush rubbers. Apparently they are available to get here in Aus via the importer and to quote TCDR1x5. On an aside.... my main 30amp fuse and holder under the tank melted this morning..pushed 4k home... anyone have an alternate replacement that's more robust by chance?
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The cause of the fuse holder problem is usually caused by a poor connection or too little surface area for the load where the fuse connects into the holder. You can wire in two fuse holders parallel with 20 amp fuses to spread the load.
 
Re Cush Hub rubbers
I just got a call from JTR whole had been away for a few days and was suprised about the number of calls and email about the same product.
He asked me to order through my local bike shop, Brisbane motorcycles in my case, and request TW651ANRB which have a RRP of A$18.25 each. He has stock but once they are gone its a 2 - 3 week restock. They are now neoprene where the earlier ones were rubber and are meant to be more durable, whereas the the earlier ones were a consumable at about a set a tyre. No suggestion how much longer the new ones will last.
YMMV
Skiddy
 
Hahahah..... I think I had called them today as well, also an email or 2.

To be honest Brisbane Motorcycles are a joke, I'm not going into it too heavily but so glad I never bought my Bike from them, lets just say 2 weeks to reply to a request to purchase a stock part is shameful for a customer service point of view.

JTR called me back today. I'll buy a couple of sets from them direct I think.
 
Talon in the UK (talon-eng.co.uk) still have some cush drive rubbers in stock. Unsurprisingly they are getting lots of calls about this at the moment. The helpful lady I spoke to said that they were bought in and not manufactured in house, and she is going to propose that the company that made them should consider making some more, due to potential demand. Assuming Talon supplied all the hubs they should have a good sense of how many bikes are out there.
 
comet said:
Talon in the UK (talon-eng.co.uk) still have some cush drive rubbers in stock. Unsurprisingly they are getting lots of calls about this at the moment. The helpful lady I spoke to said that they were bought in and not manufactured in house, and she is going to propose that the company that made them should consider making some more, due to potential demand. Assuming Talon supplied all the hubs they should have a good sense of how many bikes are out there.
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Excellent!
Talon should be made aware that there are many potential owners who will eventually want replacements.
Thanks.
 
The 961 is not the only bike that used these cush drive rubbers. There were some KTM's that used them too.
 
TonyA said:
The 961 is not the only bike that used these cush drive rubbers. There were some KTM's that used them too.
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That's great news. Know which years and models? The dealership that I bought my bike from carries KTM.
 
Bakepl said:
Hi, Not sure if this has been discussed but I recently sent Talon an email enquiring about the 961 cush rubbers. Apparently they are available to get here in Aus via the importer and to quote TCDR1x5. On an aside.... my main 30amp fuse and holder under the tank melted this morning..pushed 4k home... anyone have an alternate replacement that's more robust by chance?
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For those interested re the main fuse issue.. I ended up replacing the standard blade 30amp fuse holder with a maxi. Initial symptom was that of a flat battery.... ok if on battery tender overnight but if not failed to turn over as if not enough charge. I suspect too much resistance built up in fuse holder from carbon/burning perhaps... not best quality fuse block until it eventually melted. Now I have a spare good battery it would seem.
 
I have been able to find a replacement for the black oil cooler here in the states. Go to Jagg Oil coolers , they have the exact oil cooler Kenny Dreer specified for the 961 . They claim Norton were getting theirs but then had it made cheaper by others . If you look in some of Norton service manual pictures , you will see the Jagg oil cooler was used ! The warranty is the best , if ever any problems with the oil cooler , send it back for repair or replacement. Remember the name JAGG oil coolers.
 
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This is interesting... called local Norton dealer/importer in Aus for a rocker cover gasket.. says they don't have anything.. and parts catalogue has been pulled? Anyone know where I might be able to find a gasket, I see AF1 Racing says discontinued part for them???
 
Bakepl said:
For those interested re the main fuse issue.. I ended up replacing the standard blade 30amp fuse holder with a maxi. Initial symptom was that of a flat battery.... ok if on battery tender overnight but if not failed to turn over as if not enough charge. I suspect too much resistance built up in fuse holder from carbon/burning perhaps... not best quality fuse block until it eventually melted. Now I have a spare good battery it would seem.
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Hello , Glad you got it solved . What is maxi ?
 
Bakepl said:
This is interesting... called local Norton dealer/importer in Aus for a rocker cover gasket.. says they don't have anything.. and parts catalogue has been pulled? Anyone know where I might be able to find a gasket, I see AF1 Racing says discontinued part for them???
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I have been able to reuse mine any chance of that ? This is where it will get interesting in the short run when owners actually need hard parts like gaskets. If push comes to shove you can try Cootes in Toronto Area or Skeleton Cycles in Denver . PM Richard-7 he can ask his Dad. Or PM Skeleton Cycles ? Discontinued should say Unavailable at this time. Maybe a UK resident but I would only ask if I was desperate. There is a shop in Wales called Kick Start and they were helpful to me when I called . Give Kick Start Cycles in Wales UK a call , they said overseas shipping not a problem..
 
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