Fast Eddie
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He didn’t even have a dog…Maybe his dog curled off particularly noxious ones?
He didn’t even have a dog…Maybe his dog curled off particularly noxious ones?
Having followed Sweden's situation closely I did not expect Tegnell to ever do a full 180 as he was initially so confident that he was right and the rest of the world was wrong. When our health authority and most others advised to wear masks in public places Tegnell was advising just the opposite.Well he said they’d do things differently… he purposely did not say they would lock down like the rest “probably somewhere between Sweden and the rest of the world” was his conclusion.
Thats a good honest statement in my book, made by someone genuinely willing to review and learn.
In contrast, here in the U.K. we currently have a lockdown ‘enquiry‘ that seems obsessed with whether or not we should have locked down one or two weeks earlier !
I thought this was a good observation of Swedens situation:
“Anders Tegnell did explain what went wrong. They did not protect the nursing homes well enough. Out of 4,542 deaths 88% were over 70. You keep kids in school and you maintain the workforce. They did that and there were exactly 198 deaths under the age of 60 or 4% of deaths or 0.0001935% of the Swedish population.
This is the lesson of why you do not lockdown. This affects the elderly and immune weakened. That is who you quarantine, not the school age with statistically 0% mortality or the workforce with close to 0% mortality”.
In other words, we SHOULD do intelligent things... and avoid unintelligent blanket lock downs
Agreed.Nigel,
Are you starting to feel like I often do and wish that the OP could close the threads they start? Time for me to unwatch this one - spinning in circles mostly about personal politics and no one is learning anything or relenting in their views.
Greg...
Nope, didn't reply to you. Made a general statement. Tried to PM you, but you have it shut off.If you are referring to my post, there is no mention of personal politics?
I avoid political stuff at all costs.
I do follow numbers though. The Swedish plan sounded promising but the numbers in the first wave were just to great to ignore.
The Swedish people did adjust though, and the Swedish Government did bring in some regulations which seemed to mitigate the situation.
Glen
We had a bulldog that could clear a roomHe didn’t even have a dog…
As did we , 2 in fact …. Loved those dogsWe had a bulldog that could clear a room
Then again in 2021 I met a couple who refused to wear masks at all because masks cause you to " rebreath your own carbon monoxide" which is deadly.There were plenty of people over here wearing masks in cars on their own!!! What the hell was that about
Any student of history will tell you that pandemics rock the world from time to time. As pandemics go The COVID one was mild by comparison. During the Bubonic Plague one third of Europe died as it reoccurred regularly over a number of years. The efforts to combat that disease are a mixed bag and rather inconclusive to this day. They too had lock downs with mixed results. We have the benefit of modern medical knowledge and hindsight and we are still arguing about cause and effect.As must be obvious to all we are debating this business with the benefit of hindsight which is 20/20 …
Agreed that most of the fatalities were/ are people with underlying health issues and/ or advanced age .
However that doesn’t always mitigate the loss to their loved ones .
My wife and daughter worked in nursing homes and had to deal with families of residents who died on a daily basis . No easy task .
Your dentist story is a great example, partly for the reason you raise it, which I agree with strongly, but also because it’s an example of a ridiculous over reaction.The big lesson learned in our neck of the woods was that there are significant numbers of people who won't follow health rules, even when those rules make good sense and require only a small detour from the desired path.
Those were the ones that got into trouble early on, plugged up the ICUs and also caused a lot of grief for others.
One of the most surprising was when a large group of Dentists went against our Provincial Health Authority's order to cancel their convention/ pissup/ away from the missus weekend.
They ignored her at their peril. 15,000 people were registered for the event.
Many people became ill and at least one Dentist died. It was our first Superspreader Event and the Health Officer could see it coming, that's why she canceled it. She was surprised and very angry when the Dentist's chose to ignore a Provincial Health order.
In the aftermath the Health Authority shut down all Dental Offices in the Province for months. Almost every working Dentist in BC had attended the Convention. You can imagine how they screamed at her over their lost income. She is strong little lady and she didn't budge.
This was early days, no one knew what the hell this thing was and there was no vaccine. When people got sick with it, even healthy middle aged Dentists, it tended to be very bad.
I was glad that she shut them down. I wouldn't want a Dentist who had attended that event hovering over me and working on my mouth.
They weren't the only group to do stupid things, there were lots of churches that kept operating against Provincial Health orders. Lots of those folks became ill and developed long covid, permanent lung scarring. They also passed the disease on to many unsuspecting people.
Our society here is very soft and self indulged . We would not respond well during a time of war.
I can't imagine something like Britain's WW2 blackout working at all here now.
Glen
Do you have any evidence for that big lesson? Any firm correlation that it was those that ignored the rules who clogged up the ICUs etc ?The big lesson learned in our neck of the woods was that there are significant numbers of people who won't follow health rules, even when those rules make good sense and require only a small detour from the desired path.
Those were the ones that got into trouble early on, plugged up the ICUs and also caused a lot of grief for others.
One of the most surprising was when a large group of Dentists went against our Provincial Health Authority's order to cancel their convention/ pissup/ away from the missus weekend.
They ignored her at their peril. 15,000 people were registered for the event.
Many people became ill and at least one Dentist died. It was our first Superspreader Event and the Health Officer could see it coming, that's why she canceled it. She was surprised and very angry when the Dentist's chose to ignore a Provincial Health order.
In the aftermath the Health Authority shut down all Dental Offices in the Province for months. Almost every working Dentist in BC had attended the Convention. You can imagine how they screamed at her over their lost income. She is strong little lady and she didn't budge.
This was early days, no one knew what the hell this thing was and there was no vaccine. When people got sick with it, even healthy middle aged Dentists, it tended to be very bad.
I was glad that she shut them down. I wouldn't want a Dentist who had attended that event hovering over me and working on my mouth.
They weren't the only group to do stupid things, there were lots of churches that kept operating against Provincial Health orders. Lots of those folks became ill and developed long covid, permanent lung scarring. They also passed the disease on to many unsuspecting people.
Our society here is very soft and self indulged . We would not respond well during a time of war.
I can't imagine something like Britain's WW2 blackout working at all here now.
Glen
True, hindsight is a wonderful thing and should be used to learn, not blame.As must be obvious to all we are debating this business with the benefit of hindsight which is 20/20 …
Agreed that most of the fatalities were/ are people with underlying health issues and/ or advanced age .
However that doesn’t always mitigate the loss to their loved ones .
My wife and daughter worked in nursing homes and had to deal with families of residents who died on a daily basis . No easy task .