Hobot and Ms. Peel - Step up

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nicely done video. Def better than the drift vid someone posted where squids were drift riding with shorts and t shirts . Would be a rush in a car not to mention a bike!
 
OH mY you the man Ken who saw inside me at Barbers.
I done some hot bike vs hot car/truck, Only in bee lines on my P!! and only on Ms Peel in public - no way would I on ordinary motor cycles in narrow turns in public. Cars can brake harsher and hook up a drift shparply plus can combine both at once. Cars can transition between straight and counter steering in the same turn arc, other motorcycles can't or don't. [ice spiked and MX bikes in ruts excepted] I think the call it tank slap when they do though.

For that Ninja to have a chance against that car requires half again longer swing arm. He too detests wheelies and stoppies when you want throttle to leap or break free and brakes to steer or slow right down. Notice that 180' hook he brakes for, bolt upright straight on till last instant then on power to skate rear around and all w/o a foot down to boot, yeah man! Also seems the traction control is shut off to avoid hi side with getting rear slung out. Speedo showed mid 140's and we know that is in some 'Commandos' range, cool.
The rolling smoking sprint was very educational, the long swing arm acts like empty PU trucks. I already know w/o long swing arm accelerating power must be turned down. But still a great advantage to either leap or smoke w/o wheelie.

That's what I want Ms Peel to be capable of, and then some, don't know if I can.
The pilot is almost entering what I call Phase 5 handling. But stays in phase two counter steering, which causes wider drifts and reduces hook up for acceleration. If he'd just flick in some straight he'd hook up outta there.

I've only been able to test Peel in the tightest 10-15 mph turns to get skips and drifts up to 50-60. Anything wider gets way too fast in public as Peel sticks too much to break free with 750 power. I can not lean Peel far enough to break free just going fast as I can around normal 55 mph Mt highway turns, need mo power. The 35-50 marked turns are too wide to do phase 3 unicycle sharpness. Only place I can practice those wide video lines is on THE Gravel. Loose long run outs leave no reserves for any of fate's surprises in public.

There's a place 50 miles away called The Hub, as motorcycle rally place that used to be part of Li'l Abner's Dogpatch motel. Its got big parking lot with a few cycle shops in one area. I've eye balled it for practice in empty off season.

I've really pondered how to best take that 180 turn around parking cone with least hesitation in thrust forward. Phase 3 would fly into the turn w/o brakes adding power to get full sideways for two tire drag then just past cone a blip more power to swing rear ahead of motion and trip bike out from under then a cut in power to get the high side upright and landing but with still 45 more degree to go, but its lands on a smashed down rear patch so I can hit with torque spike enough to lift the front in side ways wheelie that comes down aimed at the open track we came from and not let off just short of smoke.

Is this even possible? Can ya believe Ms Peel makes me think so.
 
From what Hobut posts on here, many people are probably wondering if he has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone managed to squeeze 160mph out of an old Brit twin, that has seemingly been "modified" by him personally.................lol
 
Carbonfibre said:
From what Hobut posts on here, many people are probably wondering if he has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone managed to squeeze 160mph out of an old Brit twin, that has seemingly been "modified" by him personally.................lol


I shouldn't think he has either, he spends most of his spare time on here writing all this bollocks.
 
JAYMAC said:
Carbonfibre said:
From what Hobut posts on here, many people are probably wondering if he has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone managed to squeeze 160mph out of an old Brit twin, that has seemingly been "modified" by him personally.................lol


I shouldn't think he has either, he spends most of his spare time on here writing all this bollocks.


LOL, eloquently put ;-)
 
Seeley920 said:
JAYMAC said:
Carbonfibre said:
From what Hobut posts on here, many people are probably wondering if he has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone managed to squeeze 160mph out of an old Brit twin, that has seemingly been "modified" by him personally.................lol


I shouldn't think he has either, he spends most of his spare time on here writing all this bollocks.


LOL, eloquently put ;-)


I think you guys missed the point a long time ago. Hobot's prose is both entertaining and, obviously, provacative. Two weeks ago I was at Lindskogg to pick up my Falicon crank after Zint did the fine points of its balance. I asked him about different BFs for the Commando and he told me that a fella from Arkansas, Steve, was experimenting (and paying big bucks) with a Norton crank using screw in plugs so that he could change the BF 10 YEARS AGO, where were you 10 years ago???

It doesn't make any difference if it is fact or fiction; turn your energy into something productive and move on; Science fiction comes before science fact.

Life is way too short.
 
RoadScholar said:
I think you guys missed the point a long time ago. Hobot's prose is both entertaining and, obviously, provacative. Two weeks ago I was at Lindskogg to pick up my Falicon crank after Zint did the fine points of its balance. I asked him about different BFs for the Commando and he told me that a fella from Arkansas, Steve, was experimenting (and paying big bucks) with a Norton crank using screw in plugs so that he could change the BF 10 YEARS AGO, where were you 10 years ago???

It doesn't make any difference if it is fact or fiction; turn your energy into something productive and move on; Science fiction comes before science fact.

Life is way too short.

I couldn't agree more; long live the hobot experience and anyone else that goes a different direction than the norm.
 
I posted this as a little poke to Steve in good humor. Steve is a good nutter, and absolutely benign and forgiving. He's enthusiastic, upbeat and positive, and loves his Nortons. Can't fault a guy for that. And, he doesn't hide behind the anonymity of a generic screen name. Sometimes we have to wade through his stuff to get to the meat of the matter, but that's life.

Keep at it, Steve. Get Ms. Peel out there and show those drifters what's what.


Just be sure to film it, or it didn't happen.
 
+1.... we all need SF stories where Nortons are as fast as a SR71 while glued on gravel roads by earth magnetism fighting moon attraction ... All of this under the, bad, watch of sleazy government agents and their robotic pet deers! :x
Philippe
 
Holmeslice said:
I posted this as a little poke to Steve in good humor. Steve is a good nutter, and absolutely benign and forgiving. He's enthusiastic, upbeat and positive, and loves his Nortons. Can't fault a guy for that. And, he doesn't hide behind the anonymity of a generic screen name. Sometimes we have to wade through his stuff to get to the meat of the matter, but that's life.

Keep at it, Steve. Get Ms. Peel out there and show those drifters what's what.


Just be sure to film it, or it didn't happen.

If thats the case then its a real shame that his posts on here seem to be suggesting something entirely different!

Maybe he needs to make a new years resolution to try and cut the crap a little, and keep away from posting BS?
 
Is it just my eyes or was that car a Corvette and not a Mazda as stated in the clip! :?:
 
Hehe, Kenny poked both my eyes and tugged on my short and curly's with that drift video. Had to back up and watch about every stunt and move the Ninga pilot did. Its as scary to me to watch as anyone, but so was taking bikes to known limits then NAILING it to see what happens. Would sure like to see where the rumor started I've already got a 160 mph Commando, sorry not yet but in the works. May gear faster but I want the acceleration most of all.

To me drifting is both too easy and a waste of time tires and traction. Oh I got to do it time to time but only to recover failed turns I was trying to do sharper - not relieve chassis-tire loads in a crossed up lazy slide. But this drifting stuff is another way I monitor how good Ms Peel is compared to other bikes I've tired, by how far apart the tires get before instability sets in. The core of my fascination with motorcycles and Ms Peel's particularly is how to keep the best pull going with least hesitation into through and out of turns. There is literally a sliding scale of how to do that in various conditions and speeds.

One thing I play with on THE Gravel in the more crowned freeway like sections is dancing Peel's tail to hard beat rock-roll. Little blips and leans to get tail out then cut power and relax so bike self corrects aim back in lane with a bit of a hi side jerk up. Two ways to do this keep speeding up on each zig zag or let the swing outs bleed speed back to start.

In the steep off canter curved hill climb sections I Bonzi blast it like the video shows, constant spun tire mostly steered by butt muscles as front is too light to do much - thank goodness as it gets jerked this way and that lifted on rolling over stones and washboards, so not only useless but dangerous as hell to steer with, best just let it be and concentrate on thrust vectoring of rear patch.

My 1st bike was P!! dragster that couldn't lean much, not even to take a full 4 lane city intersection, so nothing for it but blip>slide>leap methods mostly upright like the video, just not nearly as fast of course in a city. Loose tires just seem natural as steel roller skates on sandy sidewalks. Gravel routine is set up a turning lean too soon to make the turn but just stay on power a bit longer so drifts wide enough bike is aimed to leap into new path as rear hooks up. That is not fastest way but its low effort fun to do and gets the slippy part over and done with before it spikes in an apex splash.

Do note on some video views how little of that big wide tire is actually in contact, hehe. About same area as our skinny tires, but so is a kids snow toy bowl similar area to a pair of long skis but boy howdy do the shape and length of the effective edges differ.

Lots to do yet, still hung up on rear air muscle valves for a classy chopper stance, but also some braking advantage.
 
Foxy said:
Is it just my eyes or was that car a Corvette and not a Mazda as stated in the clip! :?:

That's funny.
Chevy copied the look of the 93 RX7
Here's a picture of the side of a red stock RX7.
Much more sophisticated form than the corvette has ever been.
I'll have to take some more pictures of mine the next time I'm out with it.
Don't drive it much in the wet crappy winters we have in the northwest.


http://s924.photobucket.com/albums/ad82 ... aRX793.jpg
 
I still think no one else knows what they are missing out > on a triangulated Watts like linkages for a tire conflict forgiving, energy storing, non-oscillating, steel spine, disappearing act isolastic Commando. I really think a real flying carpet would be rougher d/t the fringes flapping annoyance. Flabbergastingly Fabulous!

I'm drift competent thanks to P!!, THE Gravel, The Grass and Code's class, but mostly I detest drifts as much as I detest wheelies and stoppies. I don't consider a hard surface drift, tarmac or pebbles much to brag about and faster ya go the easier more stable they get. On Peel I must drift to aim between fallen limbs around a blind, between surprise grader berm gaps over a crest, dodging fallen deer I was too aggressive towards so they spin out on ass right in front of me kicking razar hooves in air like crazy, drifts up slopes, drifts drifts down slopes, along loose ditch or hill sides in steady state skewed drift to go straight ahead while accelerating. Pashaw, can't fool or tease me with them drift show offs > once tires are spread out a bit and rear spun up, its same as you standing wider, more stable less effort. There is little tire conflict to load chassis because the rear is not hooked up much.

Lets review what I'm into on Ms Peel's deal. First off, below video is bike that made me spend many $1000's instead of just redoing as hot Combat with Drouin. These new road bikes have power to weight rations of 1 hp per 3 to 4 lb. So my goal on Peel is same ratio - but with me on her. If comparing lb ft torque to weight Peel could well top em, unless a 500 cid Boss Hoss, which can't corner but boy howdy they can drift with the best of em. Cost of TTI tranny may delay my WOT throttle use a while yet : (

Video also reveals why I consider sport bikes corner cripples, mere bee line buzz bomb appliances. I don't pay mush attention to speed as regards Peel's handling limits. On Ms Peel I can always cut a sharper turn as she has 3 more ways to turn than demonstrated by the drift show, but at cost of hesitation in harsh acceleration I crave. Peel seeks out decreasing radius turns and when none around she make every turn a harsh decrease'r - as the extra G's feel so so good. At Peel corner rates on tarmac if I did a flat tracker drift because tire let go, I'd fly right off at a tangent. Once tire exceeds some slip percentage its traction vastly decreases and slippage must decrase to almost pure grip before significant traction regained. THE Grit is not forgiving as tarmac.
I have yet to see any bike but ice spike speedway or Mx knobbies locked in deep rut that can plant the power while straight steering a twisting frame then pull a sideways wheelie to sharpen up even more. That's phase 3. There are two more ways around beyond that in Ms Peel's chassis.

I mainly focus on keeping the most G's forces going with least hesitation while shooting for the most SPIKE's in G's above tire adhesion. Peel does not need to brake for hardly any turn I can see beyond far enough. Everyone and their sister who's a biker will be putting themselves in the bikers point of view thinking how fantastic a ride, not me on Peel, I'm feeling the like car driver feeling so sorry for and embarrassed how slow and pitiful and dangerous the bike is when any corner capacity is needed. i laugh my ass off at elites bragging on how fancy a steering damper they have installed >>> Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man0X0bf8vk[/video]







Its drifts on wet sod and mud ruts that grab my groin to teeth roots.

Crossed up straight steering drifts - just look scary and it does show off the power plants =but= not much of real road holding ability.
 
Here's a more even bike vs car show down. Bike just beats car. But its the type riding I and speeds I want to do too. The yellow car uses the only type drift I allow Peel - when getting to a point in a corner your nose is aligned with the next open, just keep that same compass aim while trying to best accelerate along said compass aim and just let the sideways slide wear down on its own till just right to hook up out of there, w/o any steering effort since way back at mid turn. Works better than brakes - but ONLY if you can side both tires at once and not pivot on CoG. Other wise decays into wide slide with forks dolly wheeled is direction of travel, flat tracker style - who know brakes are worse than useless in setting up a fast turn. There is a 3rd option but its no fun.

I'm taking pains to make Peel wheelie proof and we all know Commando's can't stoppie, whoopeee!


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxDeXmAA5_Y[/video]
 
I'd say the guy on the bike has a lot of faith in the car driver.

Greg
 
Car vs bike?? Actually, Gary Thwaites went around Cadwell in 1.44 on his 750 Seeley, and 1.42 on the 960, while Mike Cooper had his 500 Manx around in 1.41.5 last October in less than ideal conditions, so basically, a good rider on a 750 Seeley is as quick as a 1098 Ducati around the same track!! Don't anyone dare dispute that a well sorted (racing) commando will do 150mph!
 
Seeley920 said:
Car vs bike?? Actually, Gary Thwaites went around Cadwell in 1.44 on his 750 Seeley, and 1.42 on the 960, while Mike Cooper had his 500 Manx around in 1.41.5 last October in less than ideal conditions, so basically, a good rider on a 750 Seeley is as quick as a 1098 Ducati around the same track!! Don't anyone dare dispute that a well sorted (racing) commando will do 150mph!

Huh? Fast as a 1098? Wow, it just keeps getting deeper around here.

How about Leon Haslam and Johnny Rea doing a 1:26s on their Ducatis for the BSB rounds??

Let's keep it real here.

I think Gary Thwaites is an excellent racer, and Lea Gourlay is (was) the best there is in the vintage world. Their achievements speak for themselves. But somehow I don't think you would find them on here making such claims.
 
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