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Andy Higham

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I decided that the long top bushes were definitely a good thing, More support and stopping the angry top out.
I bought the nice alloy Molnar retainers because mine were rusty and scarred by pipe grips. Fitting modern wiper seals in the top of them is straight forward .
Then........................
I made a fateful phone call and had a chat with Richard at Maxton suspension. He told me one of the problems with Norton forks is the seals. The sealing diameter is 32mm on a 35mm fork which causes "stiction", he recommended a thin sleeve with a 47mm ID Loctited into the alloy leg, and using a 35 x 47 x 11 seal. The bush will pass through the 47mm dia.

I pondered this later, a sleeve with a wall thickness of approx 0.35mm will be a nightmare to turn without it collapsing.

I looked at the retainers, I will bore the underside of them 44mm x 7mm deep and fit 35 x 44 x 7 seals into the underside of the retainers. An added bonus is the seals will be able to changed without stripping the forks, just drop the legs out of the yokes and unscrew the retainers.
The space once occupied by the seals now needs filling, a couple of alloy blanks same OD and thickness as the seal with a bigger ID to clear the stanchion.

Then the conversation took a bit of a turn, a 16 digit number changed hands, and a set of Maxton SD20 cartridges will shortly be in my hands. The top out and bottom out are both controlled within the cartridges using hydraulics and top out springs. Concealed damper and spring pre load adjusters. Compression in one side, rebound in the other.
This will give me opportunity to make another tweek, the above mentioned alloy blanks will be made with the ID to suit the upper fork bush OD and loctited into place in the top of the alloy slider, then the top bush fitted through it raising the top bush by 11mm, effectively making the slider longer and increasing the support by moving the bushes apart.
 
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I decided that the long top bushes were definitely a good thing, More support and stopping the angry top out.
I bought the nice alloy Molnar retainers because mine were rusty and scarred by pipe grips. Fitting modern wiper seals in the top of them is straight forward .
Then........................
I made a fateful phone call and had a chat with Richard at Maxton suspension. He told me one of the problems with Norton forks is the seals. The sealing diameter is 32mm on a 35mm fork which causes "stiction", he recommended a thin sleeve with a 47mm ID Loctited into the alloy leg, and using a 35 x 47 x 11 seal. The bush will pass through the 47mm dia.

I pondered this later, a sleeve with a wall thickness of approx 0.35mm will be a nightmare to turn without it collapsing.

I looked at the retainers, I will bore the underside of them 42mm x 7mm deep and fit 35 x 44 x 7 seals into the underside of the retainers. An added bonus is the seals will be able to changed without stripping the forks, just drop the legs out of the yokes and unscrew the retainers.
The space once occupied by the seals now needs filling, a couple of alloy blanks same OD and thickness as the seal with a bigger ID to clear the stanchion.

Then the conversation took a bit of a turn, a 16 digit number changed hands, and a set of Maxton SD20 cartridges will shortly be in my hands. The top out and bottom out are both controlled within the cartridges using hydraulics and top out springs. Concealed damper and spring pre load adjusters. Compression in one side, rebound in the other.
This will give me opportunity to make another tweek, the above mentioned alloy blanks will be made with the ID to suit the upper fork bush OD and loctited into place in the top of the alloy slider, then the top bush fitted through it raising the top bush by 11mm, effectively making the slider longer and increasing the support by moving the bushes apart.
Interesting, but I'm a little confused with the dimensions - "The sealing diameter is 32mm on a 35mm fork which causes "stiction"
Do you mean the "rest" diameter of the seal is 32mm and it's forced out to 35mm on fitting? I don't recall that when I did my forks.

Similarly "I will bore the underside of them 42mm x 7mm deep and fit 35 x 44 x 7 seals" - a 2mm crush on the OD of the seal does sound a touch excessive...
Edit - I've just seen your correction
:)
Since most of us mortals choose the "buy a finished product and fit" approach, I'm very interested in hearing more on your project.
Personally, I bought one of the early Landsdown damper sets, to my mind (and arse!) it seems to work well, but I'm not an expert.
It would be great to do a comparison between the Maxton and the Landsdown forks, but that's rather outside my abilities (and pocket!).
 
Interesting, but I'm a little confused with the dimensions - "The sealing diameter is 32mm on a 35mm fork which causes "stiction"
Do you mean the "rest" diameter of the seal is 32mm and it's forced out to 35mm on fitting? I don't recall that when I did my forks.

Similarly "I will bore the underside of them 42mm x 7mm deep and fit 35 x 44 x 7 seals" - a 2mm crush on the OD of the seal does sound a touch excessive...
Edit - I've just seen your correction
:)
Since most of us mortals choose the "buy a finished product and fit" approach, I'm very interested in hearing more on your project.
Personally, I bought one of the early Landsdown damper sets, to my mind (and arse!) it seems to work well, but I'm not an expert.
It would be great to do a comparison between the Maxton and the Landsdown forks, but that's rather outside my abilities (and pocket!).
See the post after, the 42 is a typo that I can't edit
 
See the post after, the 42 is a typo that I can't edit
Hmm, on my screen, I have 3 extra items after the normal "Report" - Edit, Delete, Start Conversation. If they are not visible on your own post, then perhaps try asking Jerry?
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You will not be disappointed by the Maxton cartridges Andy… however, they may casue disappointment with your rear shocks !?

Obviously I wouldn’t argue with Richard with regard to seals and stiction, but I would say that he’s very much looking at it from a track bike perspective. And track bikes generally get their seals replaced far more often than road bikes…

I run Maxtons and I used the bush extensions from Matt at cNw, they come with bushes and seals, and they have a lip to accept the stock dust cover (or gaiters). Everything solved in one very well made unit.

 
You will not be disappointed by the Maxton cartridges Andy… however, they may casue disappointment with your rear shocks !?

Obviously I wouldn’t argue with Richard with regard to seals and stiction, but I would say that he’s very much looking at it from a track bike perspective. And track bikes generally get their seals replaced far more often than road bikes…

I run Maxtons and I used the bush extensions from Matt at cNw, they come with bushes and seals, and they have a lip to accept the stock dust cover (or gaiters). Everything solved in one very well made unit.

Eddie, I'm using the latest generation 7614 aluminium body Ikon shocks
 
I first installed Don Pender's Landsdowne dampers and then the Maxtons. No more clunking and the damping is almost up to date.
I agree with Fast Eddie that the CNW fork bushings are good—I installed them.
At the rear, I threw out the Konis 7610 and also installed Maxton shock absorbers. The difference is really noticeable.
 
The Ikon alloy body rear shocks reduce the unsprung weight, the internals are the same as the steel bodied and provide the same damping.
 
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