TVS 961 RECALL....

One of these was produced by a dying industry 50+ years ago in the bleak 70s… the other is the product of a brand new state of the art multi million £ manufacturing facility.

One of them will be taking me for a canter today… the other is grounded due to being unsafe to ride.

Ironic huh ?

Forgive me… I just couldn’t resist it…

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Stephen_Spencer said:
Lucky you never had the opportunity to buy one of these ‘basket cases’ then mate - phewwww!!!

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Isn’t it odd that many of the current 961 owners waited on buying a brand new Norton?
All because they heard of the negative publicity of the Donington era bikes.

Being sold on a newly give away, rent to own plan, or rent to return plan, because Norton wasn’t moving bikes out the door hardly at all.

Then telling customers that over 30% of the bike has been improved, only to now be told not to ride it.

Where’s that attention to detail? Where’s that state of the art technology?
All because someone overlooked a simple procedure in the assembly process.
Pheeeeeeeew.

I would assume Norton would know whom owns what vin numbers in their database and would directly contact those owners. (The original purchasers)
 
Fast Eddie said:
One of these was produced by a dying industry 50+ years ago in the bleak 70s… the other is the product of a brand new state of the art multi million £ manufacturing facility.

One of them will be taking me for a canter today… the other is grounded due to being unsafe to ride.

Ironic huh ?

Forgive me… I just couldn’t resist it…

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Er, 50 years old, which bits exactly? (Forgive me I couldn’t resist) 😜
 
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peebee said:
We are not alone.!!!!!! :eek:

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Motorcycle recalls​

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Products placed on the market in the EU are subject to general safety requirements. These requirements are included in the General Product Safety Directive 2001/95/EC (GPSD) which aims at ensuring that only safe consumer products are sold in the EU.

The European Commissions’ Rapid Alert System (RAPEX) enables the quick exchange of information about dangerous non-food products posing a risk to health and safety of consumers.

FEMA will publish recalls from the RAPEX reports that are of concern to motorcyclists, such as recalled motorcycles or motorcycle clothing.

2025

Week 14 – Ducati – Panigale V4. Production dates: 1 June 2024 – 10 January 2025. The rear brake hose, between the ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) control unit and the rear brake calliper, can be damaged by heat. This can lead to a sudden loss of braking power in the rear wheel brake, increasing the risk of accident and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 13 – BMW Motorrad – R 1300 GS, R 1300 GS Adventure, R12, R12 nineT, R12 nineT A2. Production dates: 30 May 2022 – 18 October 2024. Humidity can penetrate the right-hand combined switch and lead to ignition failures such as stalling or delayed light functions’ failure. This increases the risk of accidents and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 13 – Yamaha – MT-07, Ténéré 700, Tracer 7, XSR700. Production dates: 1 December 2022 – 26 October 2024. Due to the corrosion inhibitor reacting with worn friction plate material, a viscous substance can form with the heat. This can lead the clutch to fail to disengage (even when the lever is pulled) causing it to drag. The vehicle can unexpectedly move off with a gear engaged, even with the clutch pulled in, increasing the risk of injury. Click here for the original listing.

Week 13 – Pirelli, Metzeler – Motorcycle tyre Scorpion Trail II (Pirelli), Tourance Next (Metzeler), Tourance Next II (Metzeler). Production dates: 30 November 2016 – 30 September 2024. EC-type approval/model: E3-75R -002028 Ext. 2 (Tourance Next), E3-75R -002028 Ext. 3 (Scorpion Trail II), E4-75R -0015919 (Tourance Next II), E4-75R -0017481 (Tourance Next II). The tyres can suffer from irregular wear, which can cause the tyre’s cords to fail. This can lead the tyres’ tread to become detached and/or to a sudden loss of air pressure. This can result in a loss of motorcycle control while riding, increasing the risk of accidents and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 11 – Honda – CBR650R & CB650R. Production dates: 11 January 2024 – 8 April 2024. The bolt and nut on the gearshift arm may come loose, leading the gearshift lever to become impossible to operate. This can provoke a loss of motorcycle’s control, increasing the risk of accident and injuries for the rider. Click here for the original listing.

Week 11 – Gasgas – Model: 125, 150, 250, 300, 350, 450, 500, EC, ES, EW, EX, GG, MC. Production dates: 2022 – 2025. Irregularities in the cast structure of the brake caliper can cause it to fail. This may lead to a reduced service brake performance, increasing the risk of accident and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 10 – Husqvarna – EC-type approval/model: 125, 150, 250, 300, 350, 450, 501, FC, FE, FX, HQV, TC, TE, TX, e1*168/2013*00023*03 (HQV 4T FE 250/350/450/501 2022/23), e1*168/2013*00023*04 (HQV 4T FE 250/350/450/501 2024), e1*168/2013*00051*03 (HQV 2T TE 150/250/300 2022/23), e1*168/2013*00051*04 (HQV 2T TE 150/250/300 2024). Production dates: 2022-2024. Irregularities in the cast structure of the brake caliper can cause it to fail. This may lead to a reduced service brake performance, increasing the risk of accident and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 7 – CF MOTO – 650MT & 700 CL-X Heritage. Production dates: 2022. Cracks can form in the weld seam of the gear change shaft. This can prevent a change of gear, leading to the loss of control over the motorcycle, increasing the risk of accident and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 5 – BMW – S1000RR, HP4, HP4 Race, M1000RR, M1000R, M1000XR, S1000R, S1000XR. Production dates: 31 August 2009 – 17 October 2024. The screw connection of the oil filter may become detached at high engine speeds (>= 12,500 rpm), leading to an oil leak from the oil filter. This can result in oil deposits onto the road, creating slippery sections, increasing the risk of accidents and injuries especially for two-wheeled vehicles. Click here for the original listing.

Week 2 – Triumph – Tiger 1200 GT, Tiger 1200 GT Pro, Tiger 1200 GT Explorer. Production dates: 17 August 2021 – 12 October 2024. Tyre can wear unevenly, compromising the zero-degree reinforcement. This can lead the tread to become partially detached and/or suffer a sudden loss of air pressure, which can cause the loss of control of the vehicle and increase the risk of accident and injuries. Click here for the original listing.

Week 2 – Triumph – TF250-X. Production dates: 20 July 2023 – 16 August 2024. Product description: Motorcycle designed exclusively for closed course competition use only – motocross. The switchcube (which includes buttons for use by the operator to start and stop the engine) is not stable in specific conditions (exposure to brake fluid & when exposed to high pressure water), and potentially could self start. The unexpected start of the motorcycle can lead to accidents. Click here for the original listing.

Week 2 – Avon/Dunlop – Several models of motorcycle tyres. Production dates: 20 October 2024 – 9 November 2024. A contamination located under the tread can lead to a lower tread adhesion and to tread separation. This can cause the loss of control of the motorcycle, increasing the risk of accidents and injuries. Click here for the original listing.
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RE Week 13

What do I do if my Metzeler Tourance tyres are within the range of problems. who do I contact etc .. Thanks
 
NorTriDuc said:
Isn’t it odd that many of the current 961 owners waited on buying a brand new Norton?
All because they heard of the negative publicity of the Donington era bikes.

Being sold on a newly give away, rent to own plan, or rent to return plan, because Norton wasn’t moving bikes out the door hardly at all.

Then telling customers that over 30% of the bike has been improved, only to now be told not to ride it.

Where’s that attention to detail? Where’s that state of the art technology?
All because someone overlooked a simple procedure in the assembly process.
Pheeeeeeeew.

I would assume Norton would know whom owns what vin numbers in their database and would directly contact those owners. (The original purchasers)
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Welcome to the Modern Norton Forum; getting a strong feeling of deja vu though🤣!
 
Just been told by another owner that letters have already gone out and should arrive tomorrow. A third party company have ben tasked to do the work.
 
Fast Eddie said:
One of these was produced by a dying industry 50+ years ago in the bleak 70s… the other is the product of a brand new state of the art multi million £ manufacturing facility.

One of them will be taking me for a canter today… the other is grounded due to being unsafe to ride.

Ironic huh ?

Forgive me… I just couldn’t resist it…

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What I find so disappointing is that any number of changes could have been made by TVS Norton to eliminate this problem . As far as I can see they have done almost nothing to improve the attachment of the ring gear ! It's almost unbelievable .
 
Interesting that Stu's picture and the drawing are different.

And that Stu, who has likely seen more of these than anyone has never seen one the same as in the drawing.

I doubt this is a problem anyone wants logic brought into though.......
 
Gojuu said:
Interesting that Stu's picture and the drawing are different.

And that Stu, who has likely seen more of these than anyone has never seen one the same as in the drawing.

I doubt this is a problem anyone wants logic brought into though.......
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When I first looked at the diagram posted by Blighty, I though that ‘loose’ and ‘broken’ were two separate failure modes.

But thinking on, I’m inclined to think that the shouldered bolts are plenty strong when fully tightened to the shoulder. In that case, the sheer load is not fully acting on the small thread.

But if they become loose, even a smidgen, then the sheer load does fully act on the thread.

So I’m now thinking that sheered bolts is more likely to be a symptom of loose bolts, rather than a separate failure mode.

And that therefore, fully tightened and loctited bolts should be perfectly fine.

But… these are only the meandering thoughts of a layman…
 
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Gojuu said:
Interesting that Stu's picture and the drawing are different.

And that Stu, who has likely seen more of these than anyone has never seen one the same as in the drawing.

I doubt this is a problem anyone wants logic brought into though.......
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The hand drawing by Cootes was meant to emphasize the bolt shape. Thats all.
 
TonyA said:
The hand drawing by Cootes was meant to emphasize the bolt shape. Thats all.
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Reads more to me that Cootes identified a concern, and Norton revised the clutch baskets. Going by the writing that accompanies the sketches.
I've pulled a mk2 clutch out of stock, which follows the suggestion by the Cootes. When I get time, I'll try and find an old very early mk1 clutch to look at.
The drilling is a nice snug fit on the shoulder. But again, as I mentioned, we've never had a starter ring gear fixing come adrift on a clutch basket from around late 2015....not to my knowledge at least.
The recall states thread lock not curing. They would have gotten through loads of different batches of thread lock in that period, so I doubt it's a fault with the thread lock, but probably a procedure issue that led to contamination of the thread lock ie not thoroughly washing off the anti corrosion fluids used on the ring gear, basket and bolt. But again, this is just the blurted out ramblings of a grease monkey working in a shed....not someone with a degree.
 

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