Buy parts in Great Britain after Brexit

[pierodn]

Greg - Does it matter where the items are produced, Yes, very much so it seems, we have items in stock that are restricted and can only be sold to certain countries as per the US world police trade regulations. This may surprise some.

Country of origin is a new thing, does it matter, yes, as it can eliminate duty being paid twice or ensure it is collected where need be. If a part or stock is bought from the EU and then processed outside the EU, then duty will not be paid on it twice. I would imagine this will become a standard form for all global parcels.

Ad FE says, it will be a good thing. Effectively duties and VAT will be paid by the customer. I would imagine the global couriers, UPS, DHL etc will have accounts where they will collect the VAT (they do now) and as they ship parcels to and from two countries then the account will credit / debit accordingly as parcels go both ways with duty and VAT owed being paid on regular basis to whom it is owed - simple. With nearly every parcel in the world now tracked, the adding of duty and VAT is not a leap beyond mankind. Joe and Karl have invested heavily in monetary terms and their own time in updating the website and the courier integration of it, this was clearly needed, and for any company that wants to trade globally irrespective of where they are on the planet will no doubt end up doing the same. Sadly, some smaller retailers will not bother, parcels may still get through, but will take longer and may cost more.

If you send a present to a friend your are supposed to declare what it is and the value even now, these will still ship, but may need a pay before delivery in the recipients country - much like it is now.

The world has always traded and will continue to do so, the new systems coming will eventually be the norm and no one will bat an eyelid. In the meantime, if you are in the EU and you can't get your parcel out of your customs then complain to your MP or equivalent why AN can ship similar parcels door to door to the US in under 48 hours, but not in the EU it seems.

Edit: Courier has my Andover parcel (in 135 gp threshold) in Italy since 27 and still does not deliver only because i have asked them a recept for the money they asked for services!
I think they they will send the package back.

 

[Time Warp]

Ozzies...

Ouch.

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It wasn't that long ago, fast delivery was by flying boat.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Ouch.

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It wasn't that long ago, fast delivery was by flying boat.

Sincere apologies. Shudda put ‘Southern Hemisphere types’ !

 

[Bernhard]

Please take your petty politics somewhere else.

Petty??? Who's being petty?
The EU invoked article/rule 16 so soon after Brexit on restricting the coronavirus vaccine being exported to Northern Ireland on Friday morning then Friday afternoon said they were not going to impose it!!!!
Yes, it's pretty petty, but you might begin to understand what the EU is all about now the U K has left......or have we?

 

[Bernhard]

For me is enough that courrier respect the low.
If i spend in the treshold there is no custom, above i will pay all.
No custom means no service that means no cost.
Be clear, for my last order less than 135 gp, courrier asket me 17 euro, maybe a not significant amount, but i cannot bear that the courier does not deliver the package to me without paying and without receiving any receipt for his services.
Do you like it ?.
Not me!

It's typical of being in the EU and the couriers attitudes that have come about irrespective of weither the U K is in the EU or not.
So much for calling it a "free trade" organisation.
I'm afraid I don't see it improving anytime soon.

 

[Bernhard]

To ZFD, sorry you yourself have been caught up in the latest "trading fisco"
There is only one good thing in your case, be glad that you are not trying to get perishable food like fresh fish through the customs who will delay for 5 days then when allowed through it's gone rotten.

 

[Bernhard]

I wonder how other companies are faring in the latest moves by the EU, like Honda's overnight spares supply from their vast warehouse in Holland?
I'll have to go and ask a Honda dealer about that, but I'm not near one any more.
Can anybody else in the UK oblige and report back here?

 

[mdt-son]

That is not my experience, no. I bought from a UK supplier website I have used many times ordered and delivered within January, delivery time not much more than previous deliveries from the same company using Royal Mail, they switched because of the customs issue. The price on the website was reduced compared to that offered to UK purchasers, to reflect not paying UK VAT. The total price including shipping was under £60.

So, before I can take delivery UPS wanted the French VAT/Import charges, in this case not too much, but they also demand a fee (9€ from memory) to execute the process Total cost to me to receive the parcel, 31€, and they didn't take cards at the doorstep, only cash or cheque! (our nearest cashpoint is 7 km away)

Steve, something is wrong in your calculation. If cost of goods _and_ shipping was say £60, the applicable VAT to France would be 20% of the shipment's value = £12 = 14€ approx. Additional to this is the customs processing charge of 9€, makes 23€ in total.

Courier services regularly charge a substantial amount in processing charges. Here in Norway I have been billed anything from 9€ (TNT) to an excessive 38€ (national courier Postnord, order value exceeding 300€ ) for customs processing. If using the postal service they will charge me a flat 12€ for an order value up to 300€.

I have yet to see any customs duty being charged on mechanical products for imports to EU countries.

-Knut

 

[mdt-son]

Correct, at the moment, but it seems some countires decided to charge entry and exit border charges to and from the UK, as Piero says - what the hell are they. Are these charges as well as duty and VAT added on a parcel from the USA, I doubt it.

In my view levying a cross border duty in addition to VAT and customs duty (on certain goods only) is illegal.

Maybe there is a mixup of terms and charges here. The transporter (courier or postal service) is entitled to getting paid for shipping, customs processing, and storage if goods are not cleared within a specified number of days.
Fees for custom processing varies depending on order value and where shipments are coming from. Shipments from EU countries usually have lower processing charges (if applicable) than shipments from overseas countries, including the UK.

Billed fees should always be according to standard rates, so Piero - please contact the courier company and demand a price list to verify correct billing.

In my experience shipping by postal services is more economical and not much slower than using a courier. In the post- Brexit era the customer should be empowered to select his/her preferred shipping service.

-Knut

 

[mdt-son]

Edit: Courier has my Andover parcel (in 135 gp threshold) in Italy since 27 and still does not deliver only because i have asked them a recept for the money they asked for services!
I think they they will send the package back.

I was billed by DHL recently and they sent the payment request by email. There was a link in the email by which I was able to download the invoice. If you didn't get this link, I'd pay anyway. You can always request the invoice later on.

DHL will not return your shipment, but after 7 days storage fees will be charged. After 60 (?) days, customers failing to pay may face a total loss.

-Knut

 

[Bernhard]

Steve, something is wrong in your calculation. If cost of goods _and_ shipping was say £60, the applicable VAT to France would be 20% of the shipment's value = £12 = 14€ approx. Additional to this is the customs processing charge of 9€, makes 23€ in total.

Courier services regularly charge a substantial amount in processing charges. Here in Norway I have been billed anything from 9€ (TNT) to an excessive 38€ (national courier Postnord, order value exceeding 300€ ) for customs processing. If using the postal service they will charge me a flat 12€ for an order value up to 300€.

I have yet to see any customs duty being charged on mechanical products for imports to EU countries.

-Knut

It is not necessarily a widespread practice.
One Dutch motorcycle parts supplier charges €12 on all parts whether a nut or washer or something bigger. Plus postage......plus 20% VAT on top of that. It has become too expensive to order from them anymore.

 

[mdt-son]

To ZFD, sorry you yourself have been caught up in the latest "trading fisco"
There is only one good thing in your case, be glad that you are not trying to get perishable food like fresh fish through the customs who will delay for 5 days then when allowed through it's gone rotten.

Rubbish. Transporters with their paperwork in order are cleared within an hour or so, unless there is a large queue waiting to cross the border. Besides, transporters carrying perishable goods have cooling / freezing facilities on board.

-Knut

 

[mdt-son]

It is not necessarily a widespread practice.
One Dutch motorcycle parts supplier charges €12 on all parts whether a nut or washer or something bigger. Plus postage......plus 20% VAT on top of that. It has become too expensive to order from them anymore.

Now you are talking of a seller fee. That's another cup of tea to what we are discussing here.
Please ask the seller to justify his/her charge. Packing fee? Documentation fee for exports? Have you complained to them?

-Knut

 

[Bernhard]

Rubbish. Transporters with their paperwork in order are cleared within an hour or so, unless there is a large queue waiting to cross the border. Besides, transporters carrying perishable goods have cooling / freezing facilities on board.

-Knut

One fish exporter compla that 5 days stuck in a customs check imposed after Brexit that all the fish were rotten.
One trawler has sailed all the way to Norway to off load his catch.
These are just examples on BBC news.

 

[Onder]

Some of the nonsense is just local bureaucratic nonsense, some is just when anything changes pencil pushers are flustered and some is down to big shots being astounded that anyone dare upset their gravy train. We will have to wait a while to see how things go.

 

[kommando]

EDIT: I see that you actually answered the personal part already.

And there is another method, with the buyer ready and primed list it on ebay under the Global Shipping Program for a nominal sum. Get them to buy it immediately its listed and the GSP will handle all the export/shipping side including the UK side and the buyer can pay you the difference by paypal.

 

[olympus]

One of my employers associated companies in Germany used to send over a ISO container a week to the UK with DPF's for regeneration...
They have had no deliveries for two weeks & a return load that wont pass the new customs checks as the "traceability police" want proof on how & where the material burnt out of the catalyst is disposed off

 

[SteveA]

Steve, something is wrong in your calculation. If cost of goods _and_ shipping was say £60, the applicable VAT to France would be 20% of the shipment's value = £12 = 14€ approx. Additional to this is the customs processing charge of 9€, makes 23€ in total.

Well, I am working from memory on the breakdown of the 31€, but 31€ is the total I paid, I had to rush around to find a Euro coin! Actually I think French VAT varies, it is not all at 20%.

Quite likely UPS charges were more!

 

[SteveA]

It is not necessarily a widespread practice.
One Dutch motorcycle parts supplier charges €12 on all parts whether a nut or washer or something bigger. Plus postage......plus 20% VAT on top of that. It has become too expensive to order from them anymore.

Sounds like CMSNL to me!

 

[EstuaryBoy]

And there is another method, with the buyer ready and primed list it on ebay under the Global Shipping Program for a nominal sum. Get them to buy it immediately its listed and the GSP will handle all the export/shipping side including the UK side and the buyer can pay you the difference by paypal.

Can they be 'customised' for each transaction?? I've looked at some low value goods in the US via ebay, and the 'Global Shipping' charges are way OTT..