Trumps recent speech at Davos

Yes - I see them too on this same planet earth and, if you actually read what I have said, I agree with you about the need to stop polluting.
CO2 does not cause the symptoms you have described though.
CO2 is the biggest man-made driver of climate change, global warming and air pollution. It's one thing we can do something about as soon as everyone quits arguing semantics and quits denying the need for change. Those who have an actual vested interest in doing nothing are not arguing on internet forums. They're putting their (considerable) money where their mouths are and supporting politicians who can do their stonewalling and denials for them. The statement about one-world government supported by rich oligarchs is a lot closer to reality than one might believe.
 
Thanks for your reply Texaslick - it stands to reason that sulphur acid rain in the atmosphere if it kills trees, it will kill plants- unless there are plants that survive on this- also it will damage the paintwork of any plane that attempts to fly through a cloud of it, plus damage any motorcycle, car on the ground etc left out in it - and I hope you are not saying it's safe to breathe it!

Acid rain is a serious problem, one which we humans can control, unlike climate change which we cannot. In the past 5 decades, we have done much to control acid rain, using scrubbers in coal fired power plants, as well as reducing nitric acid by reducing the NOx emissions of IC engines. Unfortunately, third world nations are the ones who burn coal without employing the technology to scrub the sulphur. We can better save the planet by finding ways to get compliance of such third world nations, than chasing the wisp of controlling climate change.

Diesel fuel also contains sulphur. Current US standards limit the quantity of sulphur in diesel; mixing with bio-diesel helps, but still some sulphur is there. Again, finding new technology to get the sulphur out at the source, is a better way to save the planet than wasted efforts at control of something we have very little control over.

You failed to mention, acid rain washes into rivers and streams, creating havoc there.

Slick
 
Slick, I’m having trouble discerning where you stand on the air pollution issue. You seem, to me anyway, to hover somewhere in either pollution is not man made, so therefore not correctable, not much of a problem, measures that partially correct are sufficient. All three of which I totally disagree. You appear, at times, to be aligned with the deniers.
 
Slick, I’m having trouble discerning where you stand on the air pollution issue. You seem, to me anyway, to hover somewhere in either pollution is not man made, so therefore not correctable, not much of a problem, measures that partially correct are sufficient. All three of which I totally disagree. You appear, at times, to be aligned with the deniers.

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Slick
 
Another quote might be more appropriate.

“If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen”.

The right to free speech pertains to me, too.
Jim
All I am saying is that if you say “X” and the person arguing against you consistently says “NOT X” there is little chance that either side will change the opinion of the other.
I agree with your (and others) assessment of climate change and its causes, I have a difference of opinion as to the solutions - electrical vehicles -yes, but as part of a range of solutions. Others disagree with your assessment and deny any causality by mankind, they will not change their perspective regardless of any evidence presented. Hence my comment to agree to disagree and move on.
 
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions


Rather embarrassing - all the sensational “the end is near” and “ the sky is falling” predictions - all from the Left - that we’ve had to suffer through.

Every time the Left’s esponse is “kill the messenger” or “look who paid the guy who assembled the data!”

It’s data. Argue with the data, not with the presenter.
 
Lies, damn lies, statistics and now data!

I don't think a handful of cherry picked articles from the past 50 years qualify as "statistics" or "data"...

Another case of "fake news" projection.

Is it dark under that rock?
 
Lies, damn lies, statistics and now data!
You want something that is not data related - how about the news today that more people have died through toxic air pollution than previously realised in large towns and cities, in the UK, to the tune of one in nineteen? The cause of death from the bodies opened up on the mortuary slab doesn't lie.
 
I don't think a handful of cherry picked articles from the past 50 years qualify as "statistics" or "data"...

Another case of "fake news" projection.

Is it dark under that rock?
Pete
Confused....the articles are not mine and I don’t ascribe to the denial?
 
You want something that is not data related - how about the news today that more people have died through toxic air pollution than previously realised in large towns and cities, in the UK, to the tune of one in nineteen? The cause of death from the bodies opened up on the mortuary slab doesn't lie.
Bernhard
Not sure you have followed the response - I was replying to John Laing with an attempt to lighten the mood.
I agree with you regarding the air pollution....
 
Pete
Confused....the articles are not mine and I don’t ascribe to the denial?

Did not get your reference, I apologize.

Appreciate your attempt to keep things light. I'll follow your lead.
 
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Did not get your reference, I apologize.

Appreciate your attempt to keep things light. I'll follow your lead.

Apology not required - the Internet is great for communicating ideas - until it isn’t!
 
I don't think a handful of cherry picked articles from the past 50 years qualify as "statistics" or "data"...

Another case of "fake news" projection.

Is it dark under that rock?


Again. Attack the messenger, ignore the message.

What about it? Decades of “sky is falling” predictions, all wrong; disproven by history. And, all in the same family of thought as “global warming,” no, excuse me I must follow the corrected and orthodox usage, “climate change,”
 
Again. Attack the messenger, ignore the message.

What about it? Decades of “sky is falling” predictions, all wrong; disproven by history. And, all in the same family of thought as “global warming,” no, excuse me I must follow the corrected and orthodox usage, “climate change,”

Global warming and climate change are not the same thing, do I have to explain it again?

Don't shoot the messenger? Ironic that your supreme leader daddy Trump practically coined the term "fake news".

I'll gladly shoot the messenger if he is being a bellend (that one's for you England)
 
I hope you all went out and planted a tree today.

US unemployment down to 3.5%

Space junk up at 128000000.


Information correct as of January 2019

Number of rocket launches since the start of the space age in 1957:
About 5450 (excluding failures)

Number of satellites these rocket launches have placed into Earth orbit:
About 8950

Number of these still in space:
About 5000

Number of these still functioning:
About 1950

Number of debris objects regularly tracked by Space Surveillance Networks and maintained in their catalogue:
About 22 300

Estimated number of break-ups, explosions, collisions, or anomalous events resulting in fragmentation:
More than 500

Total mass of all space objects in Earth orbit:
More than 8400 tonnes

Number of debris objects estimated by statistical models to be in orbit:
34 000 objects >10 cm
900 000 objects from greater than 1 cm to 10 cm
128 million objects from greater than 1 mm to 1 cm
 
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