The top four most despised leaders of the world

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MikeG said:
No argument at all on my part. England stood alone for 2 years and kept the nazis at bay while the US hid behind two oceans and hoped for a decent outcome. That is part of the reason, I think, why since 1945 we have been so eager to involve ourselves in conflicts we don't really have a stake in. " Plenty good money to be made supplying the army with the tools of the trade". As a point of interest though, on Dec 7th my father was on a troop ship waiting to ship out for Iceland. He enlisted in the Army Air Corps in 1940 and as part of the whole lend lease/aid deal the US garrisoned Iceland to give air cover to UK bound convoys, freeing up British troops to go to North Africa.
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The Brits weren't totally alone in 39
Canada was there from the start.
Much later, we took on one of the five beaches at Normandy, which is disproportionate to our population. It seems we , or at least our Military leaders, were always trying to prove our worth.
Also took on the Liberation of Holland.
And put our collective hand up to be the main force at the disastrous Dieppe invasion. That sort of thing happened to Canadian Soldiers quite often in WW1 and WW2.

Glen
 
My dad's sister Lyn married a Canadian soldier, my uncle Joe . He was 6'8" tall and a general giant of a man, he took part in the Juno Beach assault and luckily survived the war. He was a fitter in a GM plant and lived till 88 years old. Joe was a great bloke.
 
Absolutely fascinating how this thread has gone, And I did not need the history lesson ,but the posts have opened my eyes.
 
norton bob said:
If Stalin had not defeated Hitler in Russia it would have been all over for us, and nowhere for the Allies to gather an invasion. Hitlers V2s would have been dropping on New York.
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They would have had to been launched from New Jersey.
 
Bernhard said:
Hitler made the classic mistake of fighting a war on two fronts, with his troops spread so thinly and the harsh winter weather hitting them when only a few miles from Stalindad, the Russians were more used and better equipped for the winter, thousands of German troops froze to death . The Russians started to push before D day helping the Allied troops gain a foothold in France, the rest, as they say is history. It's a fascinating story that is even more interesting when you start to look into it.
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Hitler knew as early as late 1942 that if he didn't take North Africa, he wouldn't have enough oil to prosecute the war to the finish. When Panzers were out of fuel and their crews freezing to death on the Russian Front, trains still ran to the death camps.
 
The USA had been preparing for war after 1939, but the political will wasn't there until Pearl Harbor. Americans were convinced Hitler talked Tojo into attacking to keep keep the US too busy to bother with him. Another gross miscalculation.
 
freddie1105 said:
i'll have my say then I wont say another word. we wouldn't have won without the usa. that's a given. but we paid you for the privilege of keeping you out of the war. once we were defeated. do you really imagine you wouldn't have been next? god knows how long you'd have taken if the Japanese hadn't been so stupid. grateful for your help. but you didn't save the world. you helped save it.
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Every country in Europe stepped aside for Hitler until he got in their faces, including the British.
 
jbruney said:
Don't think they recall Agincourt do you? That may have left a long term cultural imprint.
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crecy was the one. Agincourt is famous because of Shakespeare. either one was a resounding thrashing, as us English would say
 
Danno said:
Hitler knew as early as late 1942 that if he didn't take North Africa, he wouldn't have enough oil to prosecute the war to the finish. When Panzers were out of fuel and their crews freezing to death on the Russian Front, trains still ran to the death camps.
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His invasion of Russia also had another aim, the Oilfields in the south, which Russia effectively held off and trapped German troops. The trains that run were on coal mined in Poland and other places. The late tank breakout in the war in the
Ardennes to Calais (battle of the Bulge) was to try and get to the allied oil dump, to get the fuel, which Germany was desperately short of. That too ended in failure.
 
freddie1105 said:
well being mostly irish you would belittle England and her allies. Liverpool I mean
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I'm sure they have a good sence of humour, Liverpool produced amongst others, Jimmy Tarbuck, who's still making them laugh. Happy Birthday Jimmy.
 
MikeG said:
I'll tell him so! At 98 he's still pretty sharp. I know that his father was from Germany, and his mother was first generation American from German parents. Can't get him to say much about his father, but my brother has letters written to his mother by the relatives back in Germany dated 1938. They owned a leather goods factory, and the nazis simply took it from them. His reasons for joining may have been more personal than out of a sense of duty, but he did it just the same.
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the irony of this whole conversation is. I come from Farnborough. the 1st powered flight in Britain. and the aviator?...…..sam cody. an American!
 
Danno said:
Every country in Europe stepped aside for Hitler until he got in their faces, including the British.
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chamberlain stepped aside. not the British. As someone once famously said. "Lions lead by donkeys". Would you care to enlighten us who said this?
 
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