Short Stroke 750 Build

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lcrken said:
Seeley920 said:
or just buy a set of Maney cases!!!

Agreed. I like and use Steve's cases. For this engine, I already had the cases, which I had modified years ago. All they really needed for this build was sleeving the bearing race, and machining for the anti-rotation washers. All that cost was my time, and not too much of that, so it didn't seem to me to justify the cost of another set of Steve's cases.

Ken


Hi Ken,

I've been down that road too...Mk3 cases welded up just like yours, bearing housings sleeved back to standard size, they lasted 3 seasons, but when the motor really started to make power (only a 750!) I came in after parctice with 4 piece crankcases. They just split all they way round below the barrel....
 
Hey Seeley 920

Yeah - even reinforced cases can fail How much of that failure do you think was due to vibration rather than HP. What kind (weight) of rods were you using?

Jim
 
Commando cases would crack open from combustion torque pressure not rpm horse power. Rpm horse power bends-cracks the crankshaft shaft ends first, then anything attached to ends, then those end things take out cases and/or pistons then rods. Reviewing a decade plus of Commando failure modes implies rods are rare as first to let go but common to follow weaker items failure, cap bolts to piston parting.

Of course all Al has a fatigue life so of course a bad over used Al rod can be first to go and more likely at hi rpm but I've had em fail in low load nil power-rpm
just holding 50 mph on level road below 4000 rpm -.5 sec tinkle sounds then locked rear squeal. Of course case casting could be faulty too and help top part from bottom.

My Combat prior to me was and still is famous in small city it was sold in as test bike in show room, then passed along to hillbilly thrill seekers, then me who first week on it was on drag strip - after rusting mufflers blew off and opened up top end power - trying to get the jump on wheelie bar'd 1200 Sportster, and did too.
Got out horse powered by 1/16 th mile- ~half way down strip ~80 mph/2nd.

On tear down **Only** to learn to fix oil weeps and refresh wear parts, cases were almost impossible to separate or even put together empty. I had to mark locating dowels to discover the two sides had been engine torqued so hard the cases had twisted on each other putting strong bind on the dowels. I inked dowels to find .003" needed removed from one side of each dowel to allow cases to fit again.

DynoDave's impressive eye sight up close found cob web thick crack in one stress riser of a case clamp bolt flat and welder found two more deep under pristine looking surface. Norton milling machine left sharp corners to be aware of.
Expect case distortion no matter what, especially if Al melted down as much as a full depth fill in requires to reach beginning hidden cracks.
Test for Al ready to weld is soot from Acetylene torch is all burned off.

Ms Peel's Combat cases were tested regularly a bit over 7000 but once beyond tach stop peg stuck throttle that damaged crank, everything attached to both crank ends, alternator, oil pump case, camshaft journals, cam lobe and crank belt pulley side plate screws, but the cases survived fine, still easy to part and mate and seal up dry. Ran fine 2000 miles like this but for no pull power by 5000 rpm.
Short Stroke 750 Build


Short Stroke 750 Build


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Seeley920 said:
Hi Ken,

I've been down that road too...Mk3 cases welded up just like yours, bearing housings sleeved back to standard size, they lasted 3 seasons, but when the motor really started to make power (only a 750!) I came in after parctice with 4 piece crankcases. They just split all they way round below the barrel....

Back when I was racing seriously, I had a fair number of cases break, including some with welded reinforcements, as well as cracking a good number of crankshafts. One year at Daytona, I had two 920 engines try to pull the top half of the crankcases off. Fortunately, no crashes resulted, just a lot of oil on the bike. I suspect that any stock crankcases, reinforced or not, will eventually fail if making good horsepower and raced aggressively. The aftermarket cases, like Steve Maney's, should last longer, but I don't have enough personal experience with them to tell. I do know that they've stood up well to 920+ race engines making rear wheel horsepower up in the 90's.

I don't expect this one to last forever either, but I should be able to get some fun use out of it before I have to bin it.

Ken
 
jseng1 said:
Hey Seeley 920

Yeah - even reinforced cases can fail How much of that failure do you think was due to vibration rather than HP. What kind (weight) of rods were you using?

Jim

Jim,

At the time I was using MAP rods, vibration is almost non existent, now I use Carillos in my "normal" 750 motor...which is good enough to run with 930 Triples, and Thunder engineering billet ones in short stroke
 
Wow, just wow. Humbling.
Thank you Mr. Canaga for taking the time and making the effort to record it all.
 
xbacksideslider said:
Wow, just wow. Humbling.
Thank you Mr. Canaga for taking the time and making the effort to record it all.

Thanks for the kind words. I've been sidetracked on other projects lately, and still haven't managed to order up some new liners for the larger bore. Hopefully, I'll get that done this week, and then get back to the build.

Ken
 
Just digging this back up, has it been finished, or still a back burner project? Or have I missed it on another thread?
 
You haven't missed anything, Brent. I've just been sidetracked on other projects, trying to freshen up some singles race bikes to sell (no Nortons) and working on a new Commando-powered bike for Bonneville. I will eventually get back to this engine.

Ken
 
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