Paint code - candy red

Anyone got a modern paint code for 70's Norton candy red, as close as possible to the original cololur. A pic or two would be great if possible.
ta
sam

They can't be identical as the colour sprayed varied from day to day, it was a silver base over sprayed with coats of a red coloured varnish, the coat thickness and the number of coats varied which means there is no modern exact match. The colour also faded very quickly under the sun to an orange.


Plundered this from the AMC website for Matchless, other than being called Candy apple Red there may be no other connection but worth a try.

Candy Apple Red
(As used on the late G80CS and other Matchless and Norton of the same vintage):
First of all, this color is correct (sic) for the very last short stroke G80CS machines, that being
late 1965, 1966 and 1967. Contrary to some popular opinion there were no G80CS's
manufactured in 1968. There were several of them that were titled and sold as being 1968
machines, but that is an entirely different thing than manufactured.
My 1967 G80CS is the 32nd from the very last one made and it was dispatched from Plumstead
on May 1, 1967, shipping docket K1614 and shipped to Joseph Berliner Corp. in New Jersey,
then to Poke Cycle in Seattle, Washington when it was purchased by the original owner. I
subsequently purchased it from him. The very last G80CS manufactured was shipped to a
dealer in Canada during early August of 1967.
Again, contrary to popular belief, there is no metal flake in the Candy Apple color. The metallic
appearance was generated through the use of a medium silver base coat which also was used
to accomplish the hand lining of the tank.
What follows is the recipe for the base, color and top coats using PPG Deltron 2000 DBC
Acrylic Urethane paint. I would suggest the use of PPG DPLF Epoxy Primer if there are minimal
scratches on the bare metal surface. This can be sanded with two to three coats but generally
not much more than that. If the requirement to fill deep scratches and voids is necessary, than
first prime the bare metal surface with an appropriate PPG epoxy primer, then use PPG PRIMA
K36 Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer. You can fill a large amount of scratches and voids to
arrive at a perfect surface with this material.
To mix ONE PINT of the base color, the formula is:
354.4 grams of Deltron DMD690, with,
106.6 grams of Deltron DMD689
This gives a one pint total of 461.2 grams of Orion Silver (DBC34236).
The silver base coat is considered to be a course silver
Place two coats of this silver on the tank as the base coat.
To mix ONE PINT of the color coat (G80CS RED), the formula is:
12.4 grams of Deltron DMX211 Orange, with,
17.7 grams of Deltron DMX214, with,
399.8 grams of Deltron DBC500
This gives a gives a one pint total of 429.9 grams of G80CS RED (my name not theirs).
Place 4 to 5 LIGHT coats of this color coat over the base coat of coarse silver.
The final TOP COAT is Deltron DCU2042 Low VOC Speed Clear, but that can be substituted
be some other clear coats. I would advise caution when substituting the Clear Coat to insure
that it is compatible with the PPG Deltron 2000 color coat.
You can obtain a spec sheet on all of these individual parts and pieces by simply going to any
local PPG dealer and asking for the following informational specification sheets:
PPG P-196 covering DPLF Epoxy Primer,
PPG P-169P covering PRIMA Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer K36 (it is vitally important to
remember that this can not be used on bare metal,
PPG P-175 Deltron 2000 Base coat DBC/DBI, and finally,
PPG P216 DCU 2042 Low VOC Speed Clear DCU2042.
The easiest way to obtain the silver striping is simply to mask the desired strips prior to applying
the color top coat. The dimensions for the striping are available in the material that I sent to you
and it has the correct spacing, widths, and parameters for the two stripes.

http://archives.jampot.dk/Technical/Tan ... _codes.pdf

I posted this same info a couple weeks ago on the P11 thread I started in 'other classic motorcycles'

The resultant color looks like this:


Sorry, can't seem to properly crop the image.

I went to Napa and we took a stab at it! It looked orange under the shop lights. My painter called me in a panic! daylight shows off the red though!
Mike

Dunno about a paint code, but you can get it in the UK from http://www.rsbikepaint.com

my VERY unknowledgable 2 cents about paint: the last time my candy apple red Interstate was painted, it took 8 coats of red before the orange went away. and you had to take it out into the sunlight to see the orange, in the shop it was red. 3 coats of silver base, 2 primer

trident sam said:

Anyone got a modern paint code for 70's Norton candy red, as close as possible to the original cololur. A pic or two would be great if possible.
ta
sam

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The guy who repainted my Commando used a Honda color that was a very close match to the paint on my bike (not original paint). As another poster mentioned, candys are impossible to replicate due to differences in the base color etc. So getting an exact match for what left the factory is not possible. Just go with what you think looks right!!! If you are interested in the paint code my painter used just send me a PM.

Tobin

A very good demonstration of why no two candy apple reds are ever the same! Compare color of side covers to that of the tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... JibU79K6KQ

tpeever said:

trident sam said:

Anyone got a modern paint code for 70's Norton candy red, as close as possible to the original cololur. A pic or two would be great if possible.
ta
sam

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The guy who repainted my Commando used a Honda color that was a very close match to the paint on my bike (not original paint). As another poster mentioned, candys are impossible to replicate due to differences in the base color etc. So getting an exact match for what left the factory is not possible. Just go with what you think looks right!!! If you are interested in the paint code my painter used just send me a PM.

Tobin

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Thanks Tobin,
I hadn't made myself clear in my original post, in that I knew it was impossible to replicate the exact colour, but a close enough modern match was fine by me.
I tried to send a pm but it wouldn't work for some reason.
Anyway, I think your bike looks great so I'd like the code please.
my email address is trident.sams@virgin.net

thanks
sam

trident sam said:

tpeever said:

trident sam said:

Anyone got a modern paint code for 70's Norton candy red, as close as possible to the original cololur. A pic or two would be great if possible.
ta
sam

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The guy who repainted my Commando used a Honda color that was a very close match to the paint on my bike (not original paint). As another poster mentioned, candys are impossible to replicate due to differences in the base color etc. So getting an exact match for what left the factory is not possible. Just go with what you think looks right!!! If you are interested in the paint code my painter used just send me a PM.

Tobin

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Thanks Tobin,
I hadn't made myself clear in my original post, in that I knew it was impossible to replicate the exact colour, but a close enough modern match was fine by me.
I tried to send a pm but it wouldn't work for some reason.
Anyway, I think your bike looks great so I'd like the code please.
my email address is trident.sams@virgin.net

thanks
sam

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Sure thing!! Will put you in touch with the painter.

Several of the candy red Commandos I have seen look more like BillT's (more golden tones) which I believe means that a gold base was used rather than silver.

BillT: Can you confirm if your bike has a gold basecoat? Thanks

tpeever said:

BillT: Can you confirm if your bike has a gold basecoat? Thanks

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The base coat on my 850 is Silver - the same mix posted above. The reason it looks gold is the gold decals and stripes, and the effect of the candy red. Bike looks very different under the florescent lights of the garage:


In the background is my spare P11 tank, which I painted at the same time, and looks like a different color without stripes and decals

HI, had to do a candy red 850, every one i looked at was a different colour,i guess either repainted or faded over time,this what i came up with, any comments welcome for future reference, cheers pete.

Don't know about a paint code, but here is an original paint bike. Sat in a barn in Colorado for 20 years before I got it. I keep it covered ina garage when not ridden. 5800 miles on it now. 4200 when I got it.

I like it better with Gold decals and stripes.


I've got a buddy with a '74 with the silver decals. His color is the same as mine, but looks a little different because of the effect of the silver decal vs the gold

lrutt said:

Don't know about a paint code, but here is an original paint bike. Sat in a barn in Colorado for 20 years before I got it. I keep it covered ina garage when not ridden. 5800 miles on it now. 4200 when I got it.

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Awesome!!! What a gorgeous original bike!!