One for Hobot, it has wings!

What I want more than extra down force is a countering force against the rear tendency to pass ahead of the pilot when losing traction, rather than just slowing down the acceleration or tripping bike lower - which is no big deal as long as the rear stays back where it belongs to send bike forwards instead of sideways to travel. Maybe a type of flexible tail like flying squirrels use to aim glides?

I've sure wanted some butt muscle operated reaction jets like satellites use to spit my butt back in line in time.

One for Hobot,  it has wings!
 
Larger tire patch
Stickier tire compound
Less overall weight
Less unsprung weight
Better wheel damping

Maybe electronically controled active wing surfaces big enough that you can make the turn banked like an airplane and dispense with the wheels all together.
 
Dances with Shrapnel said:
Larger tire patch
Stickier tire compound
Less overall weight
Less unsprung weight
Better wheel damping

That's pretty much what the early TZ750s resulted in - Goodyear invented the motorcycle slick, suspension and chassis all improved fairly quickly in the 70s, largely prompted by the handling deficiencies of the early, vertical twinshock TZ750s. A common trick to increase weight on the front wheel of the 750s was to increase the length of the swingarm slightly.
 
Motorcycles haven`t been banned yet, but riding a Sidewinder missile is probably only permissable at White Sands or the like, but it might be worth contacting Red Bull with proposal...hey Hobot looks like we`re getting back to jet pack dreamin` again!
Or utilizing a surplus missle e-package for active aero-control, as suggested eariler..
 
Looks like somebody beat ol' botho to it.

Evel Knievel's rocket powered Triumph (with wings)...........and chute. Probably reaching phase seven or eight :lol:

One for Hobot,  it has wings!
 
Snake river, or snake oil?
Colonel Robert Stapp`s wheeled rocket handled like it was on rails, oh, ah - hang on - ok, yeah -it was on rails..
 
Believe it or not the only thing I could detect that interfered with Peel going around even faster in 10 mph switch backs was the fuel slosh sudden slamming the lifted front the opposite direction I'd just tossed it and the lift and drop of the fork slider eddies on the ground effects of trapped air in road angle wedge. Next Peel is way more open in the middle, forks get trailing eddle taming feathers and a swinging twistable tail rudder. But that is just for my excess fun as Peel already could accelerate through decreasing radii - once you got a rig that invites ya into that then all other motorcycle seem like locomotives on steel wheels on steel rails, not humming birds like Peel. Peel has solved tarmac handling so boring safe secure predicable non-athletics, so what's really on my mind more is the wild and wooly off road stuff, especially THE Gravel and grass at all slopes and textures, so wondering about clusters of shot gun blanks to fire off for hard kicks back in line.
 
Plate of shrimp moment? [ref : original Repo man movie]
Chance TV channel surf revealed view of execrable `80s sci-fi show Battlestar Galactica - featuring the 'Turbine' future motorcycle - with folding wings!
 
I tell ya what there's been some times flying through woods on and off the tire paths I felt as thrilled and scared as the Star Wars levitating cycles in the woods battle scene. Even got to strafe a cluster of dumbfounded deer caught by surprise.

One for Hobot,  it has wings!


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qfsCleM8rE[/video]
 
What happens if you`re floggin`it through the bush & you come across a Wookie?
Make sure the bitch laps it all up...
"Cybermen do not make promises, - such ideas have no value."..
 
Bears are rare to be hit out here but a bike bear strike make the news about once a year. A fella in high end of of county got chased up a tree and bear chewed his heels off then left, fella crawled to truck and help and they found the heel remains but don't know if could be put back or not.

Do note how the dirt bike straight steers the turns, that is the way Peel handles pavement when going harsh enough to make pavement about a loose as the sandy trails. Its the only way I can make it to pavement if not just crawling along which wears out sleeve bushes rather faster, so hardly ever crawl along.
 
I met a tough chick who showed me her scars from surviving a bear attack in Alaska - its bit her on the head & partially scalped her but didn`t penetrate her cranium.
The bear grabbed her from a ride-on mower, but ran off after the 1 bite.
Plastics sewed her scalp back on, but shes got some wicked witness marks under her hair.
Naturally, she now recommends packing heat when in bear country..
 
UGH!!!
Ok here's a two in one hobot Commando crash injury animal encounter I almost didn't survive, on 7th day - after drag wheelie throw down scattered R knee I'd made in 160 miles home and left prePeel Combat in shed on charger as had to ride so slow after dark with shock fully developed, after a couple hours decided I'd better try to hobble 70 yd to shed following a foot path at base of thick brush wooded Mt side. I was on crutches, 15-20 ft off deck just about to leave clearing I heard a sudden rush a dozen feet from me and then 3 crashes through brush of animal leaping away then stopped. Of course that stratled me but rationalized it was another Damn Deer, but something didn't strike my subconscious as right. The extra brush crashing noise, the extra long flight time and the harder thump on landing, gave me a chill, so decided to turn back and go through house and out another door facing the Mt side to just flip the breaker to shed not to boil battery. No sooner than i stepped onto grass - we surprised each other again, it'd sneaked but down in 30 sec to 20 ft away in brush, I heard the same 3 great leaps like over 15 going by sound then Spine tingling LOUD screeching of a Mt. Lion the made even the hairs on top my toes stand up involuntary and heart stop. I hurt me knee again swinging back into the house slamming door behind. For next 3 yrs - until I cleared that slope I packed a .357 or 45. acp not so much to shoot it as it adds to the flavor of the wildness here but to scare it off and if need be keep pulling trigger till if fell off of me. The 2nd part was next day in full daylight bravery I made it 30 yrd using a stick to suddenly feel sharp impact=FIRE behind my scattered knee that took me to the ground, Damn Big Black Rooster sensed my weakness and inattention nd nailed my but good. The lying Govt agents say there are no big cats nor big wolves here but me and locals see em up close now and then and one reason I try to pack when riding d/t breaks or crashes hiking or imp/dragging back home miles from anyone, hearing brush and stems cracking from heavy animal unseen a dozen or so yrd beyond vision.

One for Hobot,  it has wings!


Oh yeah, wings, the black rooster tried it again next day but he ain't no big cat...
One for Hobot,  it has wings!

One for Hobot,  it has wings!
 
Whaaa... the fearless "mountain might get`ìm, but the law never will" Hobot is ascared of a bad ol` pussy cat & a bloody chook!?
Mind you, with cats, they can get kinda ornery when the mood takes `em... my feline vermin-basher left me a tasty tid-bit on the front doorstep the other day, just to let us know that he`s earning his keep... a large rats face...yeah face, - he `d crunched off the back of its cranium & slurped down its contents, - but considerately kept the jowls[& grin] for me...
 
One thing me and big cat have in common is we attack any deer on sight but we both know the damn deer are far from helpless easy prey. Chickens will kill and eat mice and smaller rats too. The boot in face of flying rooster is exactly what i had to do but when leg healed up and rooster flew at me I'd launch at him too and knock him down then grab by the legs/spurs to break his mood of pecking order king.

Back to wings and wind - i mark hi speed as starting at 120 mph as that when i had tuck in to keep acceleration decent and also to hang on to bike to keep from being lifted out of the saddle on lumps/crests. First time that happened was scrary as hell as there's nil control of bars when bar grip is the only thing holding you to bike. First time was on SuVee650 in bee line over a crest- as it could not hold the low down lean G's forces to get wind/lift/drop even on improved suspension + heated race only tires after my corner school graduation rejection letter. Wasn't kicked out just told never return : ) Rear sets most important function to me I found besides some more clearance was I could knee grip tank for some stability and bar leverage you just can't apply when butt in air and feet w/o weight on the pegs YIKES!

What I want in aero control surfaces would be something to drag on rear so it weather vanes to air flow instead of trying to pass the front when skipping it out. Next would be something to press rear down more on leans so more power and speed before it steps out/flys out ahead of turn too much. Something needed to stifle the sliders wind eddies that add and subtract randomly on the ground effects of pinching-ramming air on lean wedge space to road. Peels frame could take up the road load corner lumps w/o bother but was shocked first time I found my self feeling like pushing into a lumpy mattress or water bed of compressed air. I felt the lift/drop from the peg and tire rim distance to road more than changing lean angle w/o my input. Don't know what to do about that but leave as much open space between tires as possible and some sort of trailing feathers off sliders. Research as shown this separates the twin vortexes on either side that otherwise are staggered in pressure/vacuum rolls to become more mirror images that nullify each other. Slider Feathers can't be as flexible as a flag but should be flexible as a thin plate yet can't be too long or short either.

Exhaust blast aim also matters somewhat from its mild thrust but mostly to fill in the low pressure of bike splitting the wind then rolling into turbulence right behind. I'm wondering if a chin scoot might help on leans and cresting lift offs. Could double as oil catch tray too. Most stable air shape puts air pressure zone behind the center of gravity, like a pub dart with tail feathers. Air pressure above CoG tends to lift front out of steering effect sooner though. The most detectable benefit I found with Peel's top link was taking out all the nuisance wind rattle on forks - which is why I can sense stuff on Peel no one else can - and confuses them so much on what is doing what to show up somewhere else.

Maybe some air brake flaps to stick out on low side to spoil ground effects lift and drag that side around, WHICH brings me to the knee out antics seen on solid racers. I also find myself doing that in scarred reflex on moderns and on un-tamed isolastics and definitely note it helps jerk-drag down and initiate turns on Corner Cripples. But I only do that for an instant then must tighten up back to bikes CoG for more clearance and chassis stability and moment of turn inertia - like ice skater pulling in limbs to spin faster on same energy input. On Peel I never felt the need nor benefit to hang off or stick anything away from her CoG, both vertically and horizontally. If I could shrink my body down between shock mounts that'd be about perfect for Peel and less knee and butt-bar grip to keep from flying off one way while Peel flew off the other. I do get the breath pulled out of me on Peel in her sharpest direction changes and vision tunnels and focus can't keep up with the fast Zoom in of apex point and bluff face or railing right in front. Its at these instants I could use the blast-recoil ballistics of a couple double barrel shot guns. Of course that much lead flying out would be a hazard to life-property over the next ridge. I think there's potential to configure Peel hard bags to help somehow. Really erks sports riders to be over taken by a bagger like Peel was or when more naked with just a milk crate full of groceries.

One for Hobot,  it has wings!

One for Hobot,  it has wings!

One for Hobot,  it has wings!

One for Hobot,  it has wings!

One for Hobot,  it has wings!


http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/ ... -airborne/
One for Hobot,  it has wings!


This tail shape may be useful
One for Hobot,  it has wings!


One for Hobot,  it has wings!
 
OK Hobot, this is from Graeme Crosby`s memoir re high speed [motorcycle] flight...
"When you race at Bathurst, that 1st run down Conrod Straight is awesome. It is just one big long downhill stretch with 2 large humps & then a 90` corner.
The old nail [KR 750/3] was being timed at around 285 km/h in practice but just keeping it on the ground proved a problem with the aerodynamics. I had to pull myself up on to the tank & climb under my screen in an attempt to shift as much weight forward to prevent the wheel from comimg up. Having it in the air momentarily isn`t an issue, but it must stay straight while its up there. There is no guarantee that the bike will behave, so everyone used the same technique."
"The KR 750 went like 'shit off a shovel' - I blitzed the competition & was credited with breaking the lap record. There seemed to be an element of disbelief in the timing by some people. Just because the terminal speeds are high doesn`t mean the lap times are fast, because my KR 750 was no slouch across the mountain, making up for a lack of top-end speed down Conrod."
[TZ 750 was ~20 km/h faster there].
For myself, the old dirt bike learning of leap attitude control by a touch of rear brake always gives a certain confidence when the front rears up, but I get what you say about aero lift at speed compared to road feature & torque surge surprises.
 
Ok, so this is a car [Jaguar XJS Group A 1985 Bathurst 1000 qualifying lap] , but it gives a good view of the humps that G.Crosby mentioned, in fact - the year after this race a driver was killed when his car got airborne & crashed, so they levelled the track a bit, & put in a dog leg to shorten the straight some. Croz`s lap record was 5 sec quicker than this one, so he was going hard..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9I7GWIIPFY
 
Getting air borne is part of mc's to me though doing at modern racer speeds is an unknown I'll have to face. Peel has secret weapon of attitude change which affects both the suspension stiffness and angle of air attack. I may add some down force scoops on fork ends to direct cooling air to engine plus hold forks in effect longer. When I lets Peels hair out forks are as unless on pavement as they are on THE Marbles and Arrowheads. D/t to some accidents in paster and on THE Gravel and taking the same spots on purpose to figure out what when wrong I think Peel is capable of a sideways barrel role to land on tires and ride off. If Peel landed on my head/neck or chest could cripple or kill me, so have thought to contact RedBull to set up a special landing pad cushions set off a tight turn on a cliff side. No one has pulled that off that I know of, on purpose but its common for wake boards pulled over boat wake. Peel is one of the few if not only bike designed not to spill oil when upside down and to fed oil pump until upside down ... for a dozen seconds or so. I tell ya what a disappearing totally Neutral handling motorcycle can ride ya crazy as a loon.

Remember what you and other have posted about handling beating the pants off "faster" bikes... that's more fun than a big cage of monkeys. Remember I ain't looking for any better handling, but exploring new riding methods in case that ain't sunk in yet on what might be missing out on and so easy-cheap to attain.
 
Guess you could strap some automotive air-bag cells to the roll-cage,& those G.P. racers have dedicated types to puff-up & crash protect their cervical spine nowadays.
Or get a Red Bull contract to employ a bike cam video feed [ & crash insurance?].
 
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