Olie Linsdell dominates Classic TT - on a Paton

Am pretty sure the limit for sidecars was 1,000cc when Chris Vincent raced, so he wasn't breaking any rules in the open sidecar class. The world championship sidecars were limited to 500cc & the BSA of that size wasn't very competitive against the BMW's. I raced a sidecar briefly around that time & all the 'fast boys' in British sidecar racing had BSA A65 engines that were over 800cc. Most used A65 engines fitted with A75 barrels which were a larger bore and modified A10 cranks which gave a longer stroke. The A75 was only sold in the USA but several sidecar racers worked at BSA so had the opportunity to obtain the A75 barrels.

Ian

The 500cc Konig sidecar of the Borett brothers is here, now in New Zealand. Just before it was imported years ago, the owner lobbied the controlling body and got the junior road race sidecar class reduced from 750cc to 500cc. He became the next junior sidecar champion. The Konig would have absolutely crapped on the 500cc BMW Rennsports. I know getting entries for race meetings is difficult, however mixing the technologies has proved to be stupid - a recipe for extinction ?

Surprise surprise ?

The Rennsport was essentially a 1930s design of flat twin BMW, and the Konig was a 1969 4 cylinder rotary valve 2 stroke.
If 30 years of progress can't win, something is seriously amiss.

Not forgetting a non land based two stroke.

http://www.odd-bike.com/2013/04/konig-5 ... erdog.html

You fellas might enjoy this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfIX8RrF ... redirect=1

Wow. where do I start..?? First of all, everything below is in regards to the IOM racing.,

That Paton was loaned for Ollie to race. It is supposed to be living room furniture and never raced again.. but people do change their minds, don't they..?

Ollie will be on the R.E. this year.

The IOM rules do NOT allow any over bore. A 500 class bike must be 500 CC's or less.

The Paton is fast, no doubt, but several top racers have reported it got in the way in the turns in practice. So that means only an outstanding rider can do fast laps. In fact 3.? years ago, an average rider had one on the IOM, he never went fast.

It used to be on the Paton WEB site, and IIRC they were 85,000 pounds. Pretty pricey.!

But having lots of money does not guarantee a win, as evidenced by the Patons that had issues last year. I am amazed that those high buck guys could not figure out an engine miss in a week's time..! Money does not mean skill in the Paddock I guess..

Featherbed frames were NOT proprietary to Norton.. do your homework.. they were used on other bikes back in the day. Yes there were BSA's in Feather bed frames, just not well known.

The rules do say original castings or exact reproduction. But that rule is liberally interpreted. FYI, my engine and transmission cases are genuine original BSA castings.

As the Paton did originally come with a 6 speed, the rules allow 6 speeds on the IOM.

Speed trap speeds are NOT lap speeds.

Up until last year, the OHC multi cylinder bikes ran in the same class as the singles. Starting last year, singles and push rod twins run in a separate class. TT Riders and Amateurs ride in separate classes. This makes 4 total classes run simultaneously.

Twin disk brakes are allowed.

Now as far as modifications and rules... unless they have indidual races by year, then no way could a 1954 bike compete with a 1962 bike in pure stock form. So to recreate what it was back in the day.. well that is obviously not possible. If you want to see mostly original bikes, just watch the parade laps, that is where those are.

Racing ALWAYS was about money... and it still is.. the most money usually wins, not always but usually. Even being able to afford new tires for race day is a huge advantage, heck they are only about $400 a pair.

I know I forgot something but it is 5:30 AM, and I am typing on no sleep... again

Oh yes, my Goldie did a 99.05 MPH Lap

Oh yes, anyone with spare pocket change, feel free to send it my way... the bike has to ship early June... I won't tell you what it costs just to get there...

But as most of you have never been there... you do not know what you are missing.. pictures and videos do not do the IOM justice...

Ron

If you built a 500cc short stroke Triumph with a four valve head and decent 6 speed gearbox, and a superlight frame - it would probably be able to compete with the Paton. Why would you bother ? The Paton was almost up with the MV3-500, however was under-funded. The time to spend that sort of money has long gone. A Molnar manx would be a much better way to go - then you might have time to look at the scenery ?

acotrel said:

If you built a 500cc short stroke Triumph with a four valve head and decent 6 speed gearbox, and a superlight frame - it would probably be able to compete with the Paton. Why would you bother ? The Paton was almost up with the MV3-500, however was under-funded. The time to spend that sort of money has long gone. A Molnar manx would be a much better way to go - then you might have time to look at the scenery ?

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Really..? You can get 85 RHP out of a push rod twin..? And do a 112 MPH lap on the IOM..? Not without some boost... oh and it needs to finish too... very difficult indeed.. sigh..

Come on do it... I would toss you a c-note if you could do that...!

Ron

A Paton would have to be the best ever classic racer, however is spending a heap of money and blitzing guys who only have what are essentially converted road bikes really worth doing ? I can understand somebody buying a Molnar Manx or a Walmsley G50 - plenty of guys have got them, and if you've outridden the fast ones, you have achieved. Where did you get the 85 BHP figure from? I know Rod Tingate has ridden the one here in Victoria and says it is like a 250cc MotoGP bike. The Paton was competitive with the MV3-500 in the seventies and I believe the 350cc MV3 turned out 70 BHP. I cannot even imagine what it would be like to get loose on something like that on the IOM - it would be very easy to neck yourself, especially if the bike lacks torque ?